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2015/03/07 17:31:09 (permalink)

What would you consider samples?

I have been moving some things around and I created a folder on an external drive and have been putting samples in it. But, I wanted to know what everyone considered samples so I wouldn't miss any.

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    Re: What would you consider samples? 2015/03/07 18:25:36 (permalink)
    A sample is what a sampler plays. It is a tiny bit of audio that is one or more notes. Any sound can be made a sample. 

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    Re: What would you consider samples? 2015/03/07 18:37:00 (permalink)
    I just started thinking about doing this also. I did all default installations, so everything went to my C: drive, but that drive is a SSD and it's filling up real quick. I used Dimension Pro multisamples as a test case. Scook wrote in another thread how to do that by moving the whole multisample directory to the new drive/folder and then using a mklink command at the DOS command prompt to direct the computer from the old location to the new location. 
     
    But I'm curious, is that how you are doing it? If not, what is your method for moving them?

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    Re: What would you consider samples? 2015/03/07 18:37:51 (permalink)
    When i think of "samples" I subdivide the term according to function. Technically the single cycle waveforms used for synths like z3ta are just as much samples as the bass loops included in the latest Sonar update. The samples that are source material for synths are not lumped with loops for me.  Even among synths, the waveform types are different than the longer more musical type of samples found in "romplers" like Dimension Pro.
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    Re: What would you consider samples? 2015/03/07 21:34:26 (permalink)
    Ok feeling pretty stupid. How do I get my soft synths and instrument to look and the samples folder I put on the external hard drive? Every synth I use says file or sample not found. If it's quicker and easier here is my FB:
     
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    Re: What would you consider samples? 2015/03/07 21:55:51 (permalink)
    This is from a Scook post about a week ago...
     
    It (the multisamples folder) is easily relocated with a directory junction created by mklink:
    1) Use Windows Explorer to move the folder to the D drive
    2) Run cmd.exe as administrator and type at the command line:
    mklink /j "C:\Cakewalk Content" "D:\Cakewalk Content"
     
    worked like a charm for me. No need to futz with the registry.

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    Re: What would you consider samples? 2015/03/07 22:25:11 (permalink)
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    This is from a Scook post about a week ago...
     
    It (the multisamples folder) is easily relocated with a directory junction created by mklink:
    1) Use Windows Explorer to move the folder to the D drive
    2) Run cmd.exe as administrator and type at the command line:
    mklink /j "C:\Cakewalk Content" "D:\Cakewalk Content"
     
     


    I guess where I'm confused is my external is "j: " drive. Would replace the "D:" with the "J:" in the command line?

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    Re: What would you consider samples? 2015/03/07 22:32:14 (permalink)
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    Ok feeling pretty stupid. How do I get my soft synths and instrument to look and the samples folder I put on the external hard drive? Every synth I use says file or sample not found.



    Speaking pre-2015, Sonar let you install a lot of things elsewhere, just not .prog files and Studio Instruments. This took care of Cakewalk's big DimPro, some lesser ones like Sound Center and Rapture and z3ta+2, and all the 'content' loops etc.  Then you can have the 'vst2 folder' somewhere off-C and then, during installations, tell the installers (most ask) where the vst2 folder is.  This takes care of all the plugin .dll's (and SD3 samples).  Unfortunately Steinberg, in their infinite wisdom, have hard coded the VST3 folder to the C drive in the VST3 spec, thereby destroying the partial flexibility we have with vst2.  You have to wonder what they were thinking.
     
    I don't know how you could move Cakewalk stuff and the vst2 folder after the fact without resorting to a symbolic link (maybe by changing paths in the Windows registry).  For vst3, we have no choice and I'll undoubtedly be sym-linking that elsewhere shortly.
     
    JohnBonesDoe, if I were you, I'd uninstall everything, set up my drives, partitions and folders to taste, then reinstall everything manually telling the parts (that ask) to go where you want them to go.  Then worry about what's left over on C: and how much it bothers you.  For Sonar, that amounts to about 1.6 gb (and 1.2 gb of that is Studio Instruments).
     
    On my 128gb SSD, I have one 73 gb partition for C:  (26 gb still free), one 12 gb D: partition for my programs and MS Office, and one 26 gb E: partition (3 gb still free) for Sonar(s) and 'vst folder'.  On a HDD I have an F: partition for Sonar content (loops, etc.) and Sonar projects, videos, tutorials, etc.  All my samples, including several DSF and other add-on packs, are on the SSD.
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    Re: What would you consider samples? 2015/03/07 23:28:22 (permalink)
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    This is from a Scook post about a week ago...
     
    It (the multisamples folder) is easily relocated with a directory junction created by mklink:
    1) Use Windows Explorer to move the folder to the D drive
    2) Run cmd.exe as administrator and type at the command line:
    mklink /j "C:\Cakewalk Content" "D:\Cakewalk Content"
     
     


    I guess where I'm confused is my external is "j: " drive. Would replace the "D:" with the "J:" in the command line?


    Yes you obviously need to point it where your files are. It's just an example. Since you are coincidentally using j as your drive letter don't mix that up with the j in the command line argument mklink /j as it is a switch that tells mklink to make a junction link.

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    Re: What would you consider samples? 2015/03/07 23:38:12 (permalink)
    A 'sample' is a useless thing until you find it useful.

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    Re: What would you consider samples? 2015/03/08 10:35:59 (permalink)
    Typically "samples" are .wav or .flac or some kind of "compressed" audio file.
    I feel anything the vst "needs", that's NOT coding, should live off the C drive.
    ie: the samples, any graphics; but I'm not a "coder" so my opinion doesn't matter.
    Unfortunately there is no USDA "standard".
    And the Cakewalk VSTi's are all over the place when it comes to how they are "organized"
    (sorry bakers but you can read that as "dis" organized).
    Most, if not all, "serious" VSTi installers now ask where you want the samples to reside.
    All the NI, Toon, IK, Spectrasonics, you get where I'm going with this, DO.
    When I installed the new Dim Pro, it "found" my old install and "honored" its location!
    Score one for Cake! Session Drummer 3, oh please, what a mess.
    I can NOT believe that any VSTi would install entirely to the Vstplugins directory; that's just crazy!
    But I digress...
    (now with my apologies to Scook, a tutorial)
    First COPY the target directory to your sample location.
    In my case it goes on the V drive (named VSTi) in the VSTi\Cakewalk directory.
    Re-name the source directory (the one on the C drive), I used "xStudio Instruments"
    Here is what the mklink looks like for my Studio Instruments installation:

    I moved the entire SI directory to my V drive.
    The four instruments that make up SI would have required four separate links to the various
    sample folders. This way it was a "one shot" deal.
    Here's what Windows "sees"

    Notice the little "shortcut" indicator on the SI folder, click that

    Notice Windows "thinks" the new location is on the C drive, but its really here

    I added the folder "mklink" (just to the new directory) to hold a text file documenting the link.
    I could just as easily placed the txt file in the SI folder.
    Test to see that the VSTi is working properly, then delete the folder from the C drive; done!
    If its ever necessary, just delete the shortcut and move the target folder back to the C drive.
    Easy as pie, or in this case Cake!
    Here's what the Rapture link looks like:

    Notice I made a mistake on the first attempt, unlike a registry change, it didn't "hose" the whole thing.
    My many thanks to Scook and all who have contributed to the mklink knowledge base.
    And, BTW, the /j is the "junction" command sending Windows from (in this case) the C drive to
    (in this case) the V drive.
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    Re: What would you consider samples? 2015/03/08 11:01:30 (permalink)
    I consider any library of sounds that takes up a lot of space on my C: drive as a candidate for moving. Programs used to default to installing on the C: drive because the installer didn't know how many drives you had, but fortunately, most evolved to where you could specify where the samples would go. I agree that Cakewalk's instruments are indeed disorganized - programs and samples are often split into different folders, and Windows doesn't help with its C:\users\your name\documents\roaming\stuff\thingamabobs\etc.\etc. orientation.
     
    I don't bother to move presets off the C: drive because they don't take up much space. Neither does the SONAR executable or content like track icons, MIDI patterns, etc.
     
    I have one drive with my libraries for Kontakt, Ueberschall, Dimension Pro, Rapture, Omnisphere, etc. I either use mklink (thanks scook) or modify the registry to have instruments point to the right drive.
     
    As to Session Drummer, yeah, it is a mess. However, I wrote an article about how to consolidate SD2 and SD3 libraries that describes how the structure works. 

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