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2015/03/07 18:11:10 (permalink)

Nudge after Quantize

I often use the numeric keypad for nudging notes on the Piano Roll but I don't use Quantize very often. I've just discovered that after selecting a group of notes and applying Quantize, the Nudge facility doesn't work unless I de-select and re-select the notes.

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/07 21:31:22 (permalink)
    Footer shows X3E 32 bit?
     

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/07 22:19:39 (permalink)
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    Footer shows X3E 32 bit?

     
    Yes

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/08 16:26:16 (permalink)
    I can't reproduce a problem in X3e x64. The only think I can think that could be an issue is if your selection included a note that quantized to 1:01:000, and you tried to nudge everything earlier.

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/08 18:41:58 (permalink)
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    I can't reproduce a problem in X3e x64...

     
    Same behaviour in Sonar X2 (both x32 and x64). Works properly in Sonar 7 though.

    Nudging still works using the menu but not with the numeric keys.

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/08 18:46:22 (permalink)
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    ...could be an issue is if your selection included a note that quantized to 1:01:000, and you tried to nudge everything earlier.

     
    I've tested it out on dozens of different selections. The selected notes won't respond to nudging left, right, up or down via the keypad.

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/09 01:05:41 (permalink)
    Sounds like you've enable Enhance Keyboard Editing. NumKey 0 toggles it on/off. If you see a small bar in the active track, it's enabled - that's the cursor. As of X3, the tool icons for the different Enhanced Editing modes are no longer shown which makes it harder to notice it's enabled.

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/09 18:44:03 (permalink)
    brundlefly
    Sounds like you've enable Enhance Keyboard Editing. NumKey 0 toggles it on/off...



    I'm not pressing 0 at all. Only 1/4/7 for left. 3/6/9 for right, 2 for down and 8 for up.

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/09 18:53:21 (permalink)
    To clarify:

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    Select some notes in PRV
    Press any of the numkeys (excluding 0 or 5)
    Result: notes are nudged as expected
    Press Q to activate Quantize (or use the menu instead)
    Apply Quantize
    Result: after quantize, notes remain selected
    Press any of the numkeys (excluding 0 or 5)
    EXPECTED RESULT: notes move
    ACTUAL RESULT: no change
     

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/10 02:25:28 (permalink)
    Strange. I still can't reproduce that; nudge continues to work on selected notes after quantizing without reselecting.

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/10 03:32:17 (permalink)
    I can't make it happen with X3 or Platinum, nudge continues to work after quantizing for me.
     
    Perhaps there is more to it? 
     
    Can you start from a blank project.  Add just a MIDI track (nothing else) draw some notes in the PRV, select those notes, quantize and then have nudge not work?  What exactly are your nudge settings?
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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/10 05:09:46 (permalink)
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    Can you start from a blank project.  Add just a MIDI track (nothing else) draw some notes in the PRV, select those notes, quantize and then have nudge not work?...

     
    OK, I've just tried that. Same result.

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/10 05:12:49 (permalink)
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    ...What exactly are your nudge settings?

     
    Nudge 1:  single measure
    Nudge 2:  1/16
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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/10 05:21:29 (permalink)
    By the way, this behaviour only applies when working in PRV. If I select a clip in Track View and quantize, the selected clip nudges ok afterwards.
     

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/10 05:26:09 (permalink)
    Tomorrow I will have access to another computer with Sonar X3e installed. It will be interesting to see if it does the same thing there.
     
     

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/10 20:23:30 (permalink)
    OK, I've tried it out another computer. Same result.
     

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/10 23:09:45 (permalink)
    Very strange. All good here in the PRV as well with X3e x64. Was the second machine also 32-bit SONAR? I had very small nudge values, but larger ones work fine, too. Select some notes, quantize, nudge, quantize, nudge, quantize nudge...; works every time. 

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/11 05:02:02 (permalink)
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    Was the second machine also 32-bit SONAR?

     
    Yes, the same, i.e. Sonar X3e x32 running on a Windows 7 x64 platform. Both installations have Sonar X2a installed previously.

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/11 11:29:51 (permalink)
    Maybe 32-bit specific, then. I couldn't find any references to it in searching the forum that didn't turn out to be due to having Enhanced Editing enabled or clips locked or selection back to 1:01:000 or something like that. You might try binding Ctrl+Numkeys to the same functions for both the TV and PRV, and see if that helps.
     
     

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/11 14:38:15 (permalink)
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    Maybe 32-bit specific...

     
    I've also tried it in 64-bit Sonar X2a. Same behaviour again.

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/11 15:04:22 (permalink)
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    ...having Enhanced Editing enabled...

     
    Maybe I need to read the manual. I've never heard of "Enhanced Editing".

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/13 02:25:40 (permalink)
    Re-read this post: http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3188516
     
    Enhanced keyboard editing mode turns the numkeys into navigation/selection/editing controls. It never really caught on so you don't hear much about it. Inadvertently hitting 0 on the numkey pad is the most common cause of losing nudge control.

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/13 11:17:47 (permalink)
    Did you mean that link, if so are you teasing? It's this thread.
     
     

     
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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/14 03:30:05 (permalink)
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    Enhanced keyboard editing mode turns the numkeys into navigation/selection/editing controls. It never really caught on so you don't hear much about it. Inadvertently hitting 0 on the numkey pad is the most common cause of losing nudge control.

     
    I don't believe that Enhanced Mode has been activated in this case, otherwise pressing any of the numkeys would probably have some effect rather than do nothing. Anyway Nudge will always start working again after I select something via the mouse.

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/18 14:56:34 (permalink)
    If nobody but me can reproduce the problem, then maybe this thread should be moved out of the Problem Reports forum.
     

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/18 16:33:30 (permalink)
    Does Slide work?

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/19 14:41:10 (permalink)
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    Does Slide work?

     
    I won't be able to check this until tomorrow. But as far as I could tell everything that didn't involve the number keypad seemed to be working.

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/22 00:09:02 (permalink)
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    Does Slide work?

     
    Yes. All the menus work. All the keyboard shortcuts seem to be operational too, except for Nudge via the numkeys. I've now assigned two other keys, Y and U, for Nudge2 Left & Right and they work when the numkeys don't.

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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/27 18:58:04 (permalink)
    I cant even record because I cant nudge
    also the green magnetic bar used to snap when moved
    it is now dead so when I place a drum track it is always a little out of sync
    this is definitely a glitch in sonar...........................
    can someone give me the settings in the snap
    I have tinkered with them so much I cant remember the original settings
    I am dead in the water until this is fixed
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    brundlefly
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    Re: Nudge after Quantize 2015/03/28 00:17:08 (permalink)
    Nudge is working fine here, but I use it rarely. Why can't you record without it? Describe the circumstance in which its not working. Are you nudging MIDI clips or individual notes or audio? What values do you typically have set? Do the menu options work when the NumKeys don't? Did you check for Enhanced Editing Mode being enabled by hitting NumKey 0?
     
    Things to watch out for when snap seems not to be working as expected (assuming it's enabled):
    1. Magnetic strength too low.
    2. Landmarks inadvertently enabled
    3. To/By mode set to By (especially in the PRV where it defaults to By in projects created before it was added in X3)

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