stac
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Export all audio that arrives at one selected bus
I want to mixdown the audio that goes into a specific bus. I have done that before, but I cannot get it to work anymore. Whenever I select the desired bus and choose "Export", it says that the selection does not contain any audio. The time selection is set to the complete song.
What am I doing wrong?
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stac
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Re: Export all audio that arrives at one selected bus
2015/03/14 16:09:08
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Just to make that clear: Of course I know that I can select ALL tracks, and that will work. But that's obviously not the most comfortable way to achieve that rather simple goal. :)
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Re: Export all audio that arrives at one selected bus
2015/03/14 16:12:32
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If you to select all tracks, either solo the bus or select the bus from the pick list when the Source Category drop down is set to Buses in the Export dialog.
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Re: Export all audio that arrives at one selected bus
2015/03/14 16:23:31
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Thanks, but like I said: That's the tedious and uncomfortable way. Is there really no straight-forward way to achieve this?
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Re: Export all audio that arrives at one selected bus
2015/03/14 16:36:03
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Then don't select anything in the project and select the bus from the pick list when the Source Category drop down is set to Buses in the Export dialog
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Re: Export all audio that arrives at one selected bus
2015/03/14 16:47:14
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That's exactly the point: that does not work, like I explained in my first post. It says "the selection contains no audio". Which is not true.
It does not open the export dialog at all!
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Re: Export all audio that arrives at one selected bus
2015/03/14 16:49:22
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BTW, even if that did work (like it once used to), it's still EXTREMELY tedious because I cannot deselect all the pre-selected tracks with one click but have to go through the WHOLE list and deselect each item except the one single bus that I want to export.
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Re: Export all audio that arrives at one selected bus
2015/03/14 16:50:06
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Your first post indicated you made a selection stac
Whenever I select the desired bus and choose "Export", it says that the selection does not contain any audio. The time selection is set to the complete song.
Don't select the bus. Don't select anything. Open the Export dialog and select the bus from the pick list when the Source Category drop down is set to Buses.
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Re: Export all audio that arrives at one selected bus
2015/03/14 17:30:29
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because I cannot deselect all the pre-selected tracks with one click
You can deselect all by using menu item Edit|Select|none (I have actually assigned this to a key combination)
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Re: Export all audio that arrives at one selected bus
2015/03/14 17:39:18
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Could this be related to the case where Sonar thinks there is no audio on a track when a VSTi has no MIDI clips? Some VSTs can generate audio without having MIDI clips (like Jamstix etc), but Sonar won't freeze it for instance because it thinks the track has no audio. If that is the case, you can put some dummy MIDI events at the start and end positions of the song.
Just a thought...
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Re: Export all audio that arrives at one selected bus
2015/03/14 23:00:12
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Obviously there is a legitimate issue here, but I am having a bit of trouble understanding. So, you do have to Select All: Sonar always wants to know the time range for the export and I don't think there is a way around that.
Once you do that, you can select the desired bus(es) in the Export dialog box. It is not necessary to solo or mute anything.
I don't see how it could be simpler except for not requiring you to select a time range.
Apologies if I am missing something.
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Re: Export all audio that arrives at one selected bus
2015/03/14 23:07:21
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konradh
So, you do have to Select All: Sonar always wants to know the time range for the export and I don't think there is a way around that.
SONAR does not require any selection at all. There is no requirement to specify a time range, by default SONAR will export through the last event. The exception is the case described by SilkTone of a plug-in which is generating audio without input. This it will require some extra work to create the export.
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Re: Export all audio that arrives at one selected bus
2015/03/15 02:55:55
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☄ Helpfulby stac 2015/03/15 03:47:39
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because I cannot deselect all the pre-selected tracks with one click
You can deselect all by using menu item Edit|Select|none (I have actually assigned this to a key combination)
He means the list of buses in the export dialog. When you choose Buses as the source they are all selected by default, and the ones you don't want all have to be deselected individually. Easier to solo (but not select) the bus you want and export Main Outs.
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Re: Export all audio that arrives at one selected bus
2015/03/15 03:00:31
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scook
Your first post indicated you made a selection
stac
Whenever I select the desired bus and choose "Export", it says that the selection does not contain any audio. The time selection is set to the complete song.
Nope, that was what I did after not selecting anything did not work. I then selected the bus in question and tried again - with the described result. Don't select the bus. Don't select anything. Open the Export dialog and select the bus from the pick list when the Source Category drop down is set to Buses. I try to explain it again (btw, the project contains only audio material - I don't do any MIDI stuff in Sonar): 1. I set the time selection to the whole project and deselect ALL tracks 2. I choose the "Export" menu item (actually via a keyboard short-cut) 3. The Export dialog does not open. It says "the selection contains no audio" 4. I select the bus that I want to export and try again. Same result. There are no empty or hidden tracks in the project. It's a fresh mixing project with audio on every track.
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Re: Export all audio that arrives at one selected bus
2015/03/15 03:04:42
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does it work if you skip step 1?
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Re: Export all audio that arrives at one selected bus
2015/03/15 03:05:28
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☄ Helpfulby stac 2015/03/15 03:47:13
All you have to do, if I'm not mistaken, is select ONE of the tracks which has a send or output to that bus, then do the export. When you select "buses" from the source category, it will list only the buses that the selected track has active sends to. Usually I'll only have a maximum of 3 or 4 active sends on a track so it's really no trouble at all to just deselect all but the one I wish to export. Although I agree that none of them should be selected by default. EDIT: I was wrong sorry, you have to select all of the tracks which have sends or outupts to that bus in order to export the full output of the bus in the mix. I guess this makes sense because you might not want to export all of the tracks which output to the bus. So I guess the issue here is that Sonar pre-selects ALL of the buses associated with all of the selected tracks, meaning you have to deselect all of the ones you don't want, which is a pain like the OP says. Perhaps submit a feature request?
post edited by sharke - 2015/03/15 03:15:21
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Re: Export all audio that arrives at one selected bus
2015/03/15 03:06:28
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stac
because I cannot deselect all the pre-selected tracks with one click
You can deselect all by using menu item Edit|Select|none (I have actually assigned this to a key combination)
He means the list of buses in the export dialog. When you choose Buses as the source they are all selected by default, and the ones you don't want all have to be deselected individually. Easier to solo (but not select) the bus you want and export Main Outs.
Exactly! And that's what does not work (anymore). The last time I did this was before I installed the latest fix (the first "Braintree" fix, that is), IIRC. I don't use Sonar very often, so I'm not 100% sure, but I think that's the case. BTW, some short-cuts don't work either. I have the command that consolidates all clips into one single track on a short-cut ("w"), but while it worked well in my last Sonar project, it stopped working since the update (I think), even though the context menu still shows the short-cut hint.- Do you guys have the lastest update installed?
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Re: Export all audio that arrives at one selected bus
2015/03/15 03:07:15
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Re: Export all audio that arrives at one selected bus
2015/03/15 03:07:48
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scook
does it work if you skip step 1?
I'll try that and let you know. May take a while though, as I am currently working on a project in my primary DAW.
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Re: Export all audio that arrives at one selected bus
2015/03/15 03:09:09
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All you have to do, if I'm not mistaken, is select ONE of the tracks which has a send to that bus, then do the export. When you select "buses" from the source category, it will list only the buses that the selected track has active sends to. Usually I'll only have a maximum of 3 or 4 active sends on a track so it's really no trouble at all to just deselect all but the one I wish to export. Although I agree that none of them should be selected by default.
That's the exact scenario. It does NOT work - that's why I'm posting here.
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Re: Export all audio that arrives at one selected bus
2015/03/15 03:18:03
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☄ Helpfulby stac 2015/03/15 03:46:44
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sharke
All you have to do, if I'm not mistaken, is select ONE of the tracks which has a send to that bus, then do the export. When you select "buses" from the source category, it will list only the buses that the selected track has active sends to. Usually I'll only have a maximum of 3 or 4 active sends on a track so it's really no trouble at all to just deselect all but the one I wish to export. Although I agree that none of them should be selected by default.
That's the exact scenario. It does NOT work - that's why I'm posting here.
See the edit in my post above, I was mistaken and if you want to export the whole output of the bus in your mix then you have to select ALL of the tracks which have sends or outputs to that bus. This makes sense because you might not wish to print all of the tracks which go through that bus. You cannot just select a bus and do an export. You have to tell Sonar which tracks you want to feed through the bus to make the export. I guess it would be nice if exporting the selected bus would by default export the bus output of all tracks which go through that bus, but that's not the case. As far as I know you have never been able to export a bus without selecting the tracks you wish to play through it.
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Re: Export all audio that arrives at one selected bus
2015/03/15 03:27:18
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☄ Helpfulby stac 2015/03/15 03:46:47
Selecting in the timeline will select whatever track/bus has focus, and if it's a bus, you'll get the "selection" contains no audio" error. You need to select nothing, and, as Steve said, SONAR will automatically export through the length of the project. If you want more or less than that, you'll have to break down and select the tracks that feed the bus, or as I said, solo the bus without selecting it, and export Main Outs. If there are FX on the Master bus that you don't want, you'll need to go back to exporting with Source = Buses, and deselecting the ones you don't want. I usually take the time to do it this way.
This can all be a little unintuitive, but I'm pretty sure it's all working the same in Platinum as in X3
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Re: Export all audio that arrives at one selected bus
2015/03/15 03:42:19
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Selecting in the timeline will select whatever track/bus has focus, and if it's a bus, you'll get the "selection" contains no audio" error. You need to select nothing, and, as Steve said, SONAR will automatically export through the length of the project. If you want more or less than that, you'll have to break down and select the tracks that feed the bus, or as I said, solo the bus without selecting it, and export Main Outs. If there are FX on the Master bus that you don't want, you'll need to go back to exporting with Source = Buses, and deselecting the ones you don't want. I usually take the time to do it this way.
Thanks for that explanation. It's good to know that Sonar will export the whole project by default - however, I do want it to always export the time selection because it has to be bar-aligned for further processing in another DAW (and sending it off to colaborators). This can all be a little unintuitive, but I'm pretty sure it's all working the same in Platinum as in X3 Hmm, all I know is that I was able to export the whole mix that way (i.e. from a single bus) before (in Platinum), I'm just not sure which combination of selecting/not selecting tracks in the arrangement view did the trick. It would be nice if I had to do nothing at all in the arrangement view but be given all necessary options in the export dialog. That's how many other DAWs do it, and I think that's the most comfortable way. Maybe something worth thinking about for a future Sonar update.
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Re: Export all audio that arrives at one selected bus
2015/03/15 08:34:39
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I'm in a different project now, and exporting works, when I select nothing, like sharkey and brundlefly stated (however, with the unfortunate pre-selection of ALL tracks and busses in the export dialog that always need to be deselected manually and one at a time).
I have yet to try it in the original project that I had the problem with, but I assume that either I did something wrong, or some strange hickup happened in that project.
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