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Off kilter display: NVIDIA GEforce210, Win7, LG flatscreen. Need to nudge to the right
Sorry for the OT but this has been driving me NUTS for years and now needs to be fixed due to AD2's extra wide GUI. The simple question is... how in the heck can I fine tune the display coming from the PC onto the monitor slightly downward and to the right? Explanation: I have an NVIDIA GEForce 210 video card (a cheapo that I can't seem to access a utility for), running Win 7 (up to date) and I am running it through the VGA output on the card to an LG 20LS7D flat panel TV/monitor. Up until now I have been using an aspect ratio on the monitor and in Windows that produced two large black bars on either side of the screen. It was annoying but everything fit and was in perspective... until AD2 which is the only program I own that was wider than the ratio/aspect. This got me wanting to fix this once and for all but now I am realizing why I was using those settings. I have the monitor and windows set up to the proper aspect/ratio/resolution/etc. It's using the full screen and everything is looking normal EXCEPT on the left side and top side of the screen things are cut off ever so slightly (like I can see my Recycle Bin but it say "cycle Bin" and it is smooshed to the top more than usual and on the right side I can see a white line where my taskbar is hidden... yes I keep my task bar on the right side and have Auto Hide selected). All I want to do is nudge it down and to the right a bit but freaking Windows doesn't seem to allow this (AFAICT), I have gone through ALL the monitor options (and even download the LG manual which is how I got this proper aspect ratio in the first place) and I can seem to find a utlity program for the GEForce 210 video card (which is perhaps why the darn thing only cost me $20). Anyway... if ANYONE has some suggestions as to where I can look for this type of fine adjustment control I would be ever so greatful. I have been googly moogling for about an hour now and I ain't coming up with an answer to this. I am posting this in the Sonar forum because it does indeed affect my Sonar user experience and it will get mroe eyes here but I will understand if it gets moved to Computers. Thank you. Cheers.
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Re: Off kilter display: NVIDIA GEforce210, Win7, LG flatscreen. Need to nudge to the right
2015/03/22 13:20:17
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You don't have the NVIDIA Control Panel? It has a screen resizing function, though I've never used it.
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Re: Off kilter display: NVIDIA GEforce210, Win7, LG flatscreen. Need to nudge to the right
2015/03/22 13:27:48
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Chappel You don't have the NVIDIA Control Panel? It has a screen resizing function, though I've never used it.
That's kind of what I have been looking for and I guess I assumed when I installed the card drivers any utilites would be included. Just to check... could you point me to where I would find this? It is not in my programs list or anywhere I can find in the Control Panel. It may be buried somewhere. If I cannot find it I will see if maybe there is an additional download I can snag. Otherwise this may be, as I said, the reason I was able to get this vid card for so cheap. Thank you.
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Re: Off kilter display: NVIDIA GEforce210, Win7, LG flatscreen. Need to nudge to the right
2015/03/22 13:29:23
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And for reference... under the NVIDIA section in the Programs Menu there are only entries for the 3D Viewer stuff. Edit... Hang on. I just realized I had the manual for the card in my "special" closet and there is an entry about the control panel. Pretty sure I already tried this originally but I'm going to check this out again. BRB... and thank you. You knocked something loose in my noodle.
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Re: Off kilter display: NVIDIA GEforce210, Win7, LG flatscreen. Need to nudge to the right
2015/03/22 13:40:09
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Okay... I think I see what is going on. I must have not installed the "Gigabyte EasyBoost" system which seems to be the utility for this card. Gonna see what's up with that. Thanks, Chappel. You got me pointed in, what seems to be, the right direction. I'll update shortly. Cheers.
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Re: Off kilter display: NVIDIA GEforce210, Win7, LG flatscreen. Need to nudge to the right
2015/03/22 13:40:15
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This does not relate to your issue, but might help someone who stumbles on this thread via search. I had a problem with a monitor cutting off the right part of the image. No control panel setting would fix it. Turns out the monitor itself had a button to "auto-center" the display; invoking that solved the problem.
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Re: Off kilter display: NVIDIA GEforce210, Win7, LG flatscreen. Need to nudge to the right
2015/03/22 13:44:45
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I recall that the control panel always came with the installation disk with the video card and I can't find any page to download it from on the NVIDIA website. There are websites that claim to have it but I can't really recommend any of them. Could be legit, could be malicious. I do recommend installing the GeForce Experience utility because it can automatically update your video card drivers. http://www.geforce.com/drivers
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Re: Off kilter display: NVIDIA GEforce210, Win7, LG flatscreen. Need to nudge to the right
2015/03/22 13:44:48
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Anderton This does not relate to your issue, but might help someone who stumbles on this thread via search. I had a problem with a monitor cutting off the right part of the image. No control panel setting would fix it. Turns out the monitor itself had a button to "auto-center" the display; invoking that solved the problem.
For troubleshhoting I would certainly say that is something to look into before screwing around with stuff like I am right now and is what I was doing earlier. Ther simply does not seem to be a control for that on this monitor. Good call though, Craig and I do hope this thread helps others... even if they aren't Sonar users or even DAW users. The Googles weren't coming up with much.
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Re: Off kilter display: NVIDIA GEforce210, Win7, LG flatscreen. Need to nudge to the right
2015/03/22 13:47:10
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It sounds more like a monitor problem than a card problem, I run 210's in both my studio PC's and I have not seen such a problem on all of the different monitors I have gone through.
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Re: Off kilter display: NVIDIA GEforce210, Win7, LG flatscreen. Need to nudge to the right
2015/03/22 13:50:31
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Chappel I recall that the control panel always came with the installation disk with the video card and I can't find any page to download it from on the NVIDIA website. There are websites that claim to have it but I can't really recommend any of them. Could be legit, could be malicious. I do recommend installing the GeForce Experience utility because it can automatically update your video card drivers. http://www.geforce.com/drivers
I've got the disk but I'm sure it's on Gigabyte's website (and there is probably an updated version as well). The problem is when I built the system I was trying to avoid overloading it with unnecessary crap (for example I made the foolish mistake of installing the ASUS utility which is of no use to me and refuses to be removed so now it basically acts as "annoyanceware" every time I boot the system). Funny thing, all I was doing today was reading up on my Korg padKontrol to learn more about it's features and to get it working properly with the Librarian software. I started scouting around for manuals to just drop on my laptop which led me to find a bunch of driver updates. I snagged all of those then was going to work with AD2 to test things out... which reminded me about my display issues... which I am now obsessed with correcting once and for all. Rabbit hole, yo. lulz It's good though. My back is too fuxxored to do any guit tracking so this is keeping me busy.
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Re: Off kilter display: NVIDIA GEforce210, Win7, LG flatscreen. Need to nudge to the right
2015/03/22 13:52:21
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Wookiee It sounds more like a monitor problem than a card problem, I run 210's in both my studio PC's and I have not seen such a problem on all of the different monitors I have gone through.
It likely is but all I need to do is nudge the display output into the correct spot and unfortunately there are no onboard controls in the monitor options. This is kind of a workaround I guess. I hope it works.
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Re: Off kilter display: NVIDIA GEforce210, Win7, LG flatscreen. Need to nudge to the right
2015/03/22 14:10:18
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You won't have the same kinds of controls on it because it is designed more like a TV and than it is a monitor. You might have luck tweaking either the Aspect Ratio or the Zoom setting. In case you no longer have it, below is a link to the manual for the LG 20LS7D. https://www.dropbox.com/s...2020LS7D%20TV.pdf?dl=0
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Re: Off kilter display: NVIDIA GEforce210, Win7, LG flatscreen. Need to nudge to the right
2015/03/22 14:23:22
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Beepster I've got the disk but I'm sure it's on Gigabyte's website (and there is probably an updated version as well). The problem is when I built the system I was trying to avoid overloading it with unnecessary crap (for example I made the foolish mistake of installing the ASUS utility which is of no use to me and refuses to be removed so now it basically acts as "annoyanceware" every time I boot the system)...
Regarding the ASUS utility, which I agree is both useless and annoying, I suggest using Revo Uninstaller. I have been using the free version for years and swear by it. You should also be able to change its startup status in Windows using MSConfig.
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Re: Off kilter display: NVIDIA GEforce210, Win7, LG flatscreen. Need to nudge to the right
2015/03/22 14:23:51
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I've generally always accessed gfx card options by right clicking on the desktop.
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Re: Off kilter display: NVIDIA GEforce210, Win7, LG flatscreen. Need to nudge to the right
2015/03/22 14:36:22
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I've been using CCleaner for years and it has always served me well but for some reason the ASUS Utility is resitant to it. I'll check out the REVO uninstaller because I have heard it mentioned and praised for quite a while. Anyway I guess this was a good excuse for me to update my graphics driver. There was an driver update in 2014 for the card and I've still been working on the driver I snagged when I built the system which seems to have been released in 2011 (and there was another driver update in 2013 so I'm two versions behind... at least). @sharke... yeah, the manual for the card is saying that's how to get at it (it says I should be seeing an NVIDIA entry in my desktop Right Click menu) but it ain't there. Maybe something went funky when I installed the drivers. Gonna see what happens with this new setup. BTW... that EasyBoost thing I mentioned earlier was NOT the display utility. It was some kind of BIOS control/enhancement thing which I do NOT want. I had created a restore point (as I always do when installing new stuff) and reverted back after I realized what it was. Installing the new drivers now to see what that shakes loose. Thanks for the continued support here guys. Hopefully it'll work out. BRB
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Re: Off kilter display: NVIDIA GEforce210, Win7, LG flatscreen. Need to nudge to the right
2015/03/22 14:40:48
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Oh and in regards to the ASUS utility I disabled it in startup immediately after I had installed it. So what it does now is throw a popup saying it didn't start properly. I just have to close it and everything is fine. I just hate looking at that stupid thing every time I boot up. It reminds me of how stupid I used to be (and perhaps still am). lulz
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Re: Off kilter display: NVIDIA GEforce210, Win7, LG flatscreen. Need to nudge to the right
2015/03/22 14:45:33
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Beepster Oh and in regards to the ASUS utility I disabled it in startup immediately after I had installed it. So what it does now is throw a popup saying it didn't start properly. I just have to close it and everything is fine. I just hate looking at that stupid thing every time I boot up. It reminds me of how stupid I used to be (and perhaps still am). lulz
Then the Revo Uninstaller should do the trick. That's what I used to get rid of the ASUS utility. Revo gets right into the Windows registry for a full uninstall. As far as right-clicking on the screen to access video card options, that's where the NVIDIA Control Panel should be. Hopefully the driver update will install that for you. It's pretty handy.
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Re: Off kilter display: NVIDIA GEforce210, Win7, LG flatscreen. Need to nudge to the right
2015/03/22 14:59:26
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Beepster I've got the disk but I'm sure it's on Gigabyte's website (and there is probably an updated version as well). The problem is when I built the system I was trying to avoid overloading it with unnecessary crap (for example I made the foolish mistake of installing the ASUS utility which is of no use to me and refuses to be removed so now it basically acts as "annoyanceware" every time I boot the system).
These are the latest drivers I think (Feb 2015): http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/82467
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Re: Off kilter display: NVIDIA GEforce210, Win7, LG flatscreen. Need to nudge to the right
2015/03/22 15:27:13
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Welp... installing the new drivers has indeed given me access to the NVIDIA controls and I have indeed been able to nudge the screen around and do all sorts of other wackiness... BUT I cannot seem to get the resolution just right. The image is centered now and everything looks great... but the edges on the left/right are ever so slightly cut off. This would not bother me so much if it weren't for the fact when opening Sonar, for example, in the control bar the CB module nav buttons are almost completely cut off (amongst other things). That is just an idea of how little, but too much, is being cut off. Every other combination of settings stretches things, makes things WAY too huge, brings back the black bars, etc, etc... There is a custom adjust setting in the NVIDIA options that allows me to "fine tune" such things (which pops up a massive warning about equipment damage and liability and yadda yadda that I do not understand) and the LG manual says to set things to 1366x768 which I tried. When I do set it to that things go sightly off kilter and slightly stretchy in the wrong directions. Ugh. I guess MAYBE if I screw with those settings enough I might get things looking normal but that warning was really quite alarming. Not sure if it will even work and I'm getting cranky at this. Darn you XLN and your slightly too large AD2 GUI. I was perfectly content bumbling about with my vertical black bars. lol Anyway... lots of progress based on all of your help, at least in regards to getting my graphics card sorted out. I think this "monitor" is just kind of screwy. Maybe an HDMI cable needs to be purchased or something (whcih I ain't doing any time soon). For now I have three options I guess... 1) Go back to vertical bars and being annoyed by AD2 and the reminder of my own incompetence 2) Somehow see if I can live with the edges of everything else being slightly cut off 3) Deal with the stress of throwing caution to the wind, ignoring that weird ass warning and fine tune the settings until I get something useable... which may not even be possible anyway. Oof.
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Re: Off kilter display: NVIDIA GEforce210, Win7, LG flatscreen. Need to nudge to the right
2015/03/22 15:29:35
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And to paraphrase Dante (from Clerks)... "I wasn't even supposed be screwing with graphics issues today". Edit: After a touch of fiddling with the screen position (not the scary ultra custom stuff) I have settled on option 3. I can get it so that, even though a half dozen or so pixels are cut off I can still get at everything in Sonar. I may have to set my Task Bar to autohide at the bottom of the screen though so it doesn't pop up when I'm perusing Control Bar modules. What IS quite nice about this all is... many more track strips in the console. It'll probably make Track View stuff less cramped and annoying too.
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Re: Off kilter display: NVIDIA GEforce210, Win7, LG flatscreen. Need to nudge to the right
2015/03/22 16:16:13
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How are you connected to the monitor... VGA or S-Video cable? I don't know if using HDMI would change the way your screen fits but you might get better, and crisper, color and picture since it wouldn't be going through analog to digital conversion. I've bought several HDMI cables from Amazon at some surprisingly low prices. The trick is to order at least $35 worth of qualifying stuff to get free shipping.
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Beepster
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Re: Off kilter display: NVIDIA GEforce210, Win7, LG flatscreen. Need to nudge to the right
2015/03/22 16:42:47
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It's VGA (for a second I thought it was DVI from the PC to VGA but that's my old computer's setup). I can't recall if I've got S-Video hookups on both the card and the TV (not going to wrench my back checking) but perhaps that's a better option. Crummy part is I SHOULD have these types of cables around from back in the day (I have a massive collection of various cabling) but I guess I either gave those away in my big purge a few years ago before I built this rig or never had them because I didn't need them at the time. Anyway... I guess at this point is more just tweaking my self diagnosed OCD (lol) than actually causing any real problems. It seems like I can get at everything I need (so far). It just looks stupid and I get annoyed when I can't get things working exactly as they should. This monitor/tv is kind of weird one as it is and I think, based on the manual, I'd have more onboard control VIA the remote (which the person who gave it to me lost). Perhaps there is an extra setting in there that could fix it... perhaps not. It does other weird stuff too like if I leave it turned on after I shut down it'll "wake up" and switch to TV mode with the sound blasting which, since there is no cable hooked up to it, is REALLY loud static. This generally happens hours later when I'm in bed and the first time it happened it scared the piss out of me. I always turn of my power bar after shut down though so that only happens if I forget. Anyway, you got me about as close as I can get to solving the issue so thanks for that and thanks to everyone else for popping in and helping too. Not sure why the frack that NVIDIA utility wasn't showing up but now it is and I've got fresh drivers to boot. Sorry, padKontrol. I'll have to unlock your plethora of annoying mysteries another day.
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Chappel
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Re: Off kilter display: NVIDIA GEforce210, Win7, LG flatscreen. Need to nudge to the right
2015/03/22 17:16:52
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Amazon has a few universal remotes that claim to work with the LG 20LS7D, all under $20. All it has to do is to be able to scroll through and select on-screen options. The TV coming on sounds like "On Time" is enabled. When that is set the TV will come on if it is in standby mode, which it would be in after it loses its computer input signal. What you need enabled is the "Auto Shut-Off Setting" which turns the TV off after 10 minutes of receiving no input signal. Pgs 59-61 of the manual cover that aspect. You might be able to access all the menus through the front panel buttons on your TV. From what I can see they duplicate the relevant buttons on the remote. Menu, Enter, Volume=Left/Right, Channel=Up/Down.
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