konradh
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Kontakt Volume
1. Using full Kontakt player for bass; in this case, Scarbee Jay Bass.
2. There is a volume/gain slider on the Kontakt interface.
3. No matter where I set it, as soon as the track starts playing, it jumps to a very quiet level (like -11.3).
4. There are no controllers in the bass MIDI.
5. Only one other track has MIDI at this point, and I have the problem even when I mute the other tracks or solo the bass.
I had this problem before and can't figure out where it's coming from.
Any ideas?
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Re: Kontakt Volume
2015/03/26 17:48:43
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I had the same issue a while back and I don't remember how I fixed it but IIRC, I think I had some automation on the track that was causing it to jump up every time I hit Play. Might click the READ button off just to check it...
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Re: Kontakt Volume
2015/03/26 18:01:00
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Hi Konrad,
Almost every time this happens to me it's because I've moved (or just touched) the volume fader on the corresponding MIDI track in Sonar. IIRC you can right-click the fader and disable the control.
Good luck,
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Re: Kontakt Volume
2015/03/26 18:05:07
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I found a setting in each of those programs that you can either check or remove the check from (cannot recall which way I had to go on it), to tell the synth software not to have the master volume react to CC 7 data.
It was easier to get to the option for Battery 3, and it appears that for Kontakt it is instrument specific, so it is a bit more work.
You can change that behavior by turning off an option called: " Accept standard controllers for Volume and Pan" for each KONTAKT instrument.
For each instrument you want changed, once it is loaded click on the Wrench button at the top left of the instrument UI, then click on Instrument Options, then on Controller.
You will see "Accept standard controllers for Volume and Pan" and it will be checked. Remove the check.
Give the above a try and see if that helps.
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Re: Kontakt Volume
2015/03/26 18:09:21
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Razorwit
Almost every time this happens to me it's because I've moved (or just touched) the volume fader on the corresponding MIDI track in Sonar. IIRC you can right-click the fader and disable the control.
That should be it ... plagued me just the other day ...
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Re: Kontakt Volume
2015/03/26 18:51:29
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I guess disabling the fader would work too - hadn't thought of that, as I frequently use the midi track faders.
Edited to add: Good idea.
Either way should give you a way to get past this issue,
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Re: Kontakt Volume
2015/03/26 19:00:29
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One can insert a CC11 at the beginning and Sonar use that as the starting volume. I do this using the List View.
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Re: Kontakt Volume
2015/03/26 20:24:14
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+1 on inserting CC11. I always insert a CC11 for Kontakt.
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Re: Kontakt Volume
2015/03/26 20:29:40
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Yes, count me in and having seen this behavior before.... I just ignored it and turned the fader higher. Good to hear some suggestions on how to deal with this for the next time I noticed this behavior.
Thanks guys,
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Re: Kontakt Volume
2015/03/26 20:52:17
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jimkleban
Yes, count me in and having seen this behavior before.... I just ignored it and turned the fader higher. Good to hear some suggestions on how to deal with this for the next time I noticed this behavior.
Thanks guys,
Jim
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Re: Kontakt Volume
2015/03/27 02:43:57
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☄ Helpfulby FreeFlyBertl 2015/03/27 04:20:13
DRanck
+1 on inserting CC11. I always insert a CC11 for Kontakt.
But CC11 acts a secondary volume control working within the range set by CC7 which is what the MIDI track volume fader sends. So the track fader still needs to be disabled (or set to 127) or Kontakt needs to be set to ignore it. There are also some instruments that have a Master volume control in the GUI that goes above 0dB, but 0dB corresponds to CC7=127, so you can't use that extra output level unless you disable the fader.
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Re: Kontakt Volume
2015/03/27 15:13:12
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Hmm, that's not the way I usually do it. CC11 does as you say work within the CC7 setting range. I use CC7 as the overall volume for mixing at the console, but then use C11 for the dynamics of the instrument. Seems to work for me. Maybe I'm not understanding the OPs dilemma.
There is one other thing with Kontakt: In options --> Engine, you can set the default volume setting, either -6dB or 0 dB.
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Re: Kontakt Volume
2015/03/27 16:10:43
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Look in Edit/Preferences/Project/Midi and look at Other Options. Make sure that Reset controllers is unchecked! Also check the midi track doesn't have a volume or expression control command.
Lastly, look at the settings in the Kontakt track module for each instrument. There is an option to adjust the way the volume control responds to set the volume for the command. It is usually set at -6 db on install. You can adjust it to 0db or +6db.
I would not turn off the midi respond as you will lose all control of the midi mixing available to you.
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Re: Kontakt Volume
2015/03/27 16:40:45
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Wow, lots of excellent information here. Thanks, guys!
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Re: Kontakt Volume
2015/03/27 17:38:58
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This should not be happening though right? I wonder if it's related to the problem I have every now and then with some Native Instruments plugins zeroing out all of their settings when I hit play. I seem to remember when I reported my problems ages ago being told that it might have something to do with the plugins being sent MIDI messages when input echo was set to auto.
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Re: Kontakt Volume
2015/03/28 05:12:19
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I just yesterday tested out for both Kontakt 5 factory sound Classic Bass that the turning off the parameter In the Controller Options per my above post did indeed resolve volume issues.
The same is true for Battery 3 - I tested that too and the same option there also resolved issues with its master volume in Sonar.
I had a separate and different issue with Reaktor's Steam synth and its Pan Flute pitch getting changed after playing the project back in Sonar. Turned out to be the result of the Zero All Controllers parameter that defaults to Checked in Sonar, and something with the mod wheel (I think). Anyways, removing the check box for that parameter fixed that issue.
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Re: Kontakt Volume
2015/03/28 14:50:10
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I have this too sometimes, I have kontakt set to -6 in the options and the midi channel is on default 101 in sonar but in kontakt, same channel says -11 which should be -6 which is weird because some of the other tracks it is -6, could it be that sonars automation or offset mode is interfering with the volume? Even thou I haven't changed the offset mode or have any automation drawn... Can someone try this too?
post edited by orhanproject - 2015/03/28 15:00:16
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Re: Kontakt Volume
2015/03/28 15:29:26
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I am going to try these things. Thx.
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