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2015/03/22 09:19:57 (permalink)

Select Module function

Compare "Loop" module start and end entry fields with "Select" module start and end entry field.  
If not already set, use Bar:Beat entry format.
 
Set both modules to the same values, begin 5:00 and end 10:00.  
 
Now try to set a new Loop range of 15:00 to 20:00 by typing the Start bar first, then the End bar.  It works.
 
BUG:  now try to set a new Select range of 15:00 to 20 by typing the Start bar first, then the End bar.  It doesn't works.
 
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Re: Select Module function 2015/03/22 11:50:56 (permalink)
I tried this in Platinum 21.01.00 Build 38 x64 and concur that the Loop and selection fields do not accept type entries correctly.  Can someone else please test this and confirm thank you.
 
Just for the record when testing please type your entries as requested by William because when trying the above the way I normally do selections, from the ruler with a point and drag, the figures placed in the Loop and Select boxes are updated correctly.

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Re: Select Module function 2015/03/22 12:13:37 (permalink)
It will not allow one to move the start point past the end point. To move the start point past the end point, change the end point then the start point.
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Re: Select Module function 2015/03/22 12:30:51 (permalink)
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It will not allow one to move the start point past the end point. To move the start point past the end point, change the end point then the start point.


If I understand what you are saying then to complete the changes indicated by William the correct method would need you to change the endpoint first then the start point?
 
Which I have tried and it works as expected.  Thanks for testing this Scook knew I was missing something as I never use the selection and loop boxes by manual entry, always point and drag in the time ruler, or lasso selection.

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Re: Select Module function 2015/03/22 12:44:32 (permalink)
Yes, the entry fields will not allow a start value larger than the end value.
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Re: Select Module function 2015/03/22 12:53:43 (permalink)
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Yes, the entry fields will not allow a start value larger than the end value.


That is logical thanks for your help here Scook

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Re: Select Module function 2015/03/22 16:35:37 (permalink)
Come on guys.  "this is logical?"    Did I not illustrate the Loop module acting differently?  That one is "illogical" then?  This is a bug.
 
It is also new, bad, behaviour introduced with the x stuff.  
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Re: Select Module function 2015/03/22 16:38:23 (permalink)
And btw, the human brain just doesn't work that way:   set end and then set start.    Just pass it on to the programmers, please, they have already made the loop module work correctly, this should be a very very very simple fix.
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Re: Select Module function 2015/03/22 16:47:50 (permalink)
Please read the handbook http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3151738 there is no "pass it on to the programmers" option but you may fill out a formal report with the Problem Reporter
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Re: Select Module function 2015/03/22 16:51:12 (permalink)
scook, just a bit of background: when I was younger, and probably nicer, I contributed a great deal to the improvement of sonar 3 to sonar 5.    I USE the software, heavily.    Don't discount, please, my experience because it doesn't match your experience.  (my username at that point was anonymous .. don't see the point in that anymore, since google knows all about me already)
 
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Re: Select Module function 2015/03/22 16:53:47 (permalink)
Please do read the handbook. It may help you understand how this part of the forum works.
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Re: Select Module function 2015/03/22 17:01:55 (permalink)
I have read it.  That doesn't mean I'll follow it.  I'm critical of cubase 8, too.   Whichever software works best, for a given purpose, I'll use.  
post edited by williamcopper - 2015/03/22 17:08:24
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Re: Select Module function 2015/03/22 17:10:37 (permalink)
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I have read it.  That doesn't mean I'll follow it.

That is OK. I just did not want you to be surprised when others do.
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Re: Select Module function 2015/03/22 18:13:24 (permalink)
So.   I post, in hopes that the software will suit ME.   But I feel pretty sure, or at least kind of thinking, that I am not the only one who approaches the software in the same way.   It is such a simple fix: make the selection module work like the Loop module.
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Re: Select Module function 2015/03/23 20:17:17 (permalink)
Inconsistency <> bug.
If valid this is an enhancement request.

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Re: Select Module function 2015/03/23 21:24:30 (permalink)
Pre-X versions would set end=start if you entered a start time greater than the current end. That is clearly a more helpful behavior, and it was probably an oversight as opposed to a deliberate choice that this behavior was not preserved in the X series. On that basis, I'll buy that this is regression bug.
 

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Re: Select Module function 2015/03/23 23:48:36 (permalink)
Roll a dice then for outcome....At this stage the OP should be off to the problem reporter and pasting CWBRN here.

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Re: Select Module function 2015/03/24 09:33:14 (permalink)
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Inconsistency <> bug.

respectfully disagree: inconsistency counts as a usability bug
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If valid this is an enhancement request.

and i love the way you keep using "enhancement" in your recent non-host posts, tho' i'm not quite sure why because there's no such thing as the "enhancements forum" - are you pitching for a cakewalk marketing job or what? ;-)
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Re: Select Module function 2015/03/24 09:38:00 (permalink)
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Please do read the handbook. It may help you understand how this part of the forum works.

i did (surprise!) and (to me) it says troubleshoot here in this forum and then move to relevant forum if necessary, rather than troubleshoot elsewhere (sonar forum) then move here once verified/reported/numbered... just ambiguous guidelines i suppost but generally (and especially in technology) the author should aim to avoid being misunderstood (as apposed to being understood) unless ambiguity is a goal like in poetry etc
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Re: Select Module function 2015/03/24 10:54:20 (permalink)
Yup I had raised it and they said they were going to correct it but it never happened. Anyway that's for forum discussion forums..

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Re: Select Module function 2015/03/28 09:07:54 (permalink)
Still a problem in Cambridge.   Not that big a deal, but an annoying little thing.  I use the Selection Module constantly, as would anyone working from a music score with bar numbers and ranges outside the reasonable view of a screen.
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Re: Select Module function 2015/03/28 10:35:02 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby williamcopper 2015/03/30 09:19:26
Maybe you should start using Shift+F6 to open Select By Time. Or bind it to a single key if you're using using it that frequently. Select by Time waits for OK so you can enter whatever times you want in whatever order.
 

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Re: Select Module function 2015/03/28 14:42:49 (permalink)
The Select Module behavior reported by the OP has existed since Sonar X1 was released in 2010.  A likely reason for the behavior still existing is that most users probably do selections using the mouse and do not use the Select Module.  In other words either no one noticed the issue or no one was motivated enough to file a Problem Report.
 
Submitting a Problem Report is no guarantee that the problem will be fixed, but hoping that the problem will be "magically" fixed without submitting a Problem Report is a futile waste of time.
 
Workaround you may or may not know about: When the user sets the Now time to the start of the desired selection and clicks the From button in the Select Module, both the From and To fields are set to the same Now time value.  This will help prevent the undesired behavior from occurring.
 

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Re: Select Module function 2015/03/30 09:19:52 (permalink)
Thanks for the work-arounds.   If cakewalk doesn't want to fix the problems I report here, to a certain extent I don't care.  I'm reporting them as I find them, and will very likely leave this forum as whatever work-arounds are necessary get into my habits and I no longer get stymied by the problems.     SOME new users, who knows how many, will hit these problems, and then they will tell their friends, perhaps, how bad Sonar is.   So ...
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Re: Select Module function 2015/04/05 12:09:25 (permalink)
If someone had a problem with you William but did not tell you how would you know.  It is only by telling you directly you would know.  
 
The Cakewalk problem reporting form is how cakewalk learn that there is a problem  If it is not used they will not necessarily know or do you believe them to be psychic.
 
All software creators have a method to report "problems" with their product, Cakewalk have a form here.
 
https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Contact/Problem-Report
 
It is how us mere mortals make reports.
 

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Re: Select Module function 2015/04/06 10:07:13 (permalink)
This reported issue has been hanging out here for over 2 weeks now, and was never put through the generation of a CWBRN, so I will be moving this back to the Sonar forum for now.
 
If someone does go through and generate a problem report and gets a  CWBRN that gets editied into the subject line of the OP of the thread, then I will move it back to Problem Reports.
 
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Re: Select Module function 2015/04/06 12:50:03 (permalink)
Very few Cakewalk employees spend time in these forums, they're too busy working on the products themselves. Mentioning an issue in the forums is great for getting confirmation from others if something is indeed a bug, or finding out it's pilot error or a computer issue or whatever. But if something is a bug or a feature request, it needs to be put in a format that someone at Cakewalk will see. Otherwise it's doubtful any action will occur.

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Re: Select Module function 2015/04/06 13:36:46 (permalink)
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Very few Cakewalk employees spend time in these forums, they're too busy working on the products themselves.



Few maybe, but they're the important ones.
 
Like Noel Borthwick, Chief Technical Officer  (last post to this forum 4 hours ago).
 
No way Noel's not aware of bugs being reported here, even if not offically submitted.

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