ChristopherM
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Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
I don't often use Vintage Channel these days, but I happened to want to try it on something and I was surprised to see that it loaded in Bitbridge (in 64-bit Sonar, that is). When I look at the plug-in via Plugin Manager, its Friendly Name is VC-64 and the dll is Vintage_Channel_VC64.dll. It is installed in \program files\ (as opposed to \program files (x86)\). All of this makes me wonder whether somehow I have corrupted its install. Can anybody advise, please?
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BobF
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2015/03/29 08:05:34
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The browser doesn't think so 
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ChristopherM
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2015/03/29 08:09:54
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Thanks, Bob. So you're experiencing the same thing as me. I still wonder whether it is the case that a plug called anything-64 would actually be 32-bit.
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2015/03/29 08:12:55
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There are two generally accepted ways audio software can be can be considered '64 bit'.
1. The code itself
2. The degree of precision in the processing; the data
It is quite possible/common for 32-bit code to employ/implement 64-bit processing
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ChristopherM
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2015/03/29 08:20:54
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Ironically, I renewed my acquaintanceship with VC-64 in the course of going through my plug-ins to eliminate as many as possible of the 32-bit ones, because I have a suspicion that Bitbridge is a source of instability. I say suspicion because on the relatively rare occasions when something crashes these days, Bitbridge is typically in the vicinity.
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2015/03/29 09:43:55
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ChristopherM
I still wonder whether it is the case that a plug called anything-64 would actually be 32-bit.
The plugins were called "-64" (for the audio processing) before people had 64-bit PC/OS's so it wasn't an issue at the time. It sure is misleading today and a good reason to drop them when it's not possible to rename them.
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2015/03/29 10:38:51
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It's a shame but the guy who developed the plug-in retired a few years back so that's why it was never coded for 64 bit and there haven't been any further updates. I really used it a lot in my 32 bit days on buses. It's a very warm sounding plug-in.
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2015/03/29 11:59:20
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emwhy
It's a shame but the guy who developed the plug-in retired a few years back so that's why it was never coded for 64 bit and there haven't been any further updates. I really used it a lot in my 32 bit days on buses. It's a very warm sounding plug-in.
I agree, it's a great plug-in but I know someday something will happen where I won't be able to use it any more...probably the closest option is the set of Blue Tubes plug-ins, but one of the aspects that made the VC-64 outstanding was the ability to have different effects routings within in. Cakewalk has tried to find the guy who designed it so they could secure the rights to update it, without success. Pity.
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2015/03/29 12:29:31
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"The guy" would be Danish plugin developer Torben Kjaerhus Larsen, who vanished without a trace in a manner suitable for a TV mystery.
In a KVR post in February 2009, he stated that he was "alive and well", and never came back. The last anyone heard from him was November 2010, when he posted on Gearslutz (GS shows his last login was December 2011). It's been suggested that he'd died or been murdered, gone mental or been imprisoned. Pure speculation, all of it. I'm going with alien abduction.
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2015/03/29 12:43:24
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bitflipper
"The guy" would be Danish plugin developer Torben Kjaerhus Larsen, who vanished without a trace in a manner suitable for a TV mystery.
In a KVR post in February 2009, he stated that he was "alive and well", and never came back. The last anyone heard from him was November 2010, when he posted on Gearslutz (GS shows his last login was December 2011). It's been suggested that he'd died or been murdered, gone mental or been imprisoned. Pure speculation, all of it. I'm going with alien abduction.
Old programmers don't die... They just hide themselves within the code...... ;-) Yes, his other plugins were quite good too! I hope he's ok wherever he is... Keni
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ChristopherM
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2015/03/29 13:49:29
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And just as we get into conspiracy theory territory, I notice that my earlier post has been censored, because I used the word suspicion, proving that this software at least is far from passing a Turing test. What does it make of the fine English placename of S****horpe - that has at least two candidates for misplaced censorship. Sometimes, the modern world is despicable.
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2015/03/29 13:51:16
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☄ Helpfulby ChristopherM 2015/03/29 14:05:35
What happens if I post "Spice Girls"...
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ChristopherM
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2015/03/29 14:01:27
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This software is only fit for the scrap heap ...
Better stop now. Whilst this is LOL funny, I have a feeling that one of us will stumble across some foul phrase that gets through the censor and then end up barred for ToS infringement.
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ChristopherM
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2015/03/29 14:02:30
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Hmm ... scrap is acceptable, he s****ed.
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
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Sidroe
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2016/11/23 08:46:54
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I could be mistaken but I remember several years back a discussion on this subject and the point was brought up that Voxengo had this exact same plugin on sale as a Channel Strip! The GUI is butt ugly but it appears to be the same plug. Sadly, it is still 32 bit. Would it be possible to work a deal with Voxengo to develop a 64 bit version that could be ported in to Sonar? Something to think about. I did like VC64 a lot in the 32 bit days. Now, I tend to build what I need in ProChannel. Although, the BlueTubes channel strip sounds VERY nice!!
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2016/11/23 08:56:11
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BTW, the Voxengo VoxFormer is the plugin I spoke about.
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2016/11/23 10:02:01
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J Bridge is great, and allows me to use VC 64 with no issue. I really, really love the VC 64 on vox. I can pull up one of several go to presets and it sounds fantastic for my voice. Just a few little tweaks to the compressor and I'm in. I cannot duplicate what it does with other plugs. It has a special mojo I really love.
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mixmkr
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2016/11/23 10:55:03
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boy...the market is ripe for software emulations of old plug-ins that have "seen their day"... VC-64, L1, ....:-D
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2016/11/23 10:56:51
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geiroffenberg
kjaerhus disappeared?
He's in the Matrix now.
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2016/11/23 11:32:09
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how compressing. Sonitus knows where he is?
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2016/11/23 14:34:24
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J Bridge is great, and allows me to use VC 64 with no issue. I really, really love the VC 64 on vox. I can pull up one of several go to presets and it sounds fantastic for my voice. Just a few little tweaks to the compressor and I'm in. I cannot duplicate what it does with other plugs. It has a special mojo I really love.
I am totally with you on this. The VC-64 is one of a very small number of 32 bit plugs that I still use and I cannot get a similar sound for vocals by any other method, and believe me, I've tried!!
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2016/11/23 15:37:19
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I used a lot of his plugins as well - and being from Denmark I did a little research.
Here's copied from a danish newspaper:
"Da han var i 30’erne, gennemførte Larsen en uddannelse som elektroingeniør, og sammen med Rune Ravn fik han omkring 2005 succes med et firma, der lavede computerprogrammer til musikindustrien. I 2008 valgte de at stoppe samarbejdet efter nogle uenigheder om virksomheden."
Basically it tells that Torben and his business partner Rune started a company together in 2005, but in 2008 had some disagreement about the company, and stopped working together. I think this was more or less the end of the whole development thing. maybe he kept on for a little while, I am not sure.
And sadly, it seems that he is now in prison actually.
Please note: I am only basing this on articles from danish press, but feel quite confident that these are the facts).
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2016/11/23 16:51:39
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"The guy" would be Danish plugin developer Torben Kjaerhus Larsen, who vanished without a trace in a manner suitable for a TV mystery.
It's been suggested that he'd died or been murdered, gone mental or been imprisoned. Pure speculation, all of it. I'm going with alien abduction.
Unless the aliens control the Danish press and published a particularly heinous cover story, and assuming there wasn't a guy with the same name, he's in prison. From what I've read the story is more suitable to "Dateline" than a TV mystery. There were a few threads on KVR dealing with the issue, perhaps qannaq could verify the accuracy of Google's translations of the article.
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2016/11/24 11:40:47
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Sidroe
...Voxengo had this exact same plugin on sale as a Channel Strip! The GUI is butt ugly but it appears to be the same plug. Sadly, it is still 32 bit...
Voxformer v2 is indeed 64 bit. I occasionally use it on vocals. Voxengo VoxformerVoxformer Screenshot
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2016/11/24 20:11:55
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Sidroe
...Voxengo had this exact same plugin on sale as a Channel Strip! The GUI is butt ugly but it appears to be the same plug. Sadly, it is still 32 bit...
Voxformer v2 is indeed 64 bit. I occasionally use it on vocals.
Voxengo Voxformer
Voxformer Screenshot
I used to use Voxformer a lot before the Pro Channel made me lazy. Hmm...come to think of it...I was using it as part of my mastering chain in WaveLab for quite a while. Uh...never mind all that... I came here to say that Voxformer is not a reskin of the VC-64. It has a lot of the same functionality, but lacks the flexible internal routing. VC-64 is a reskin of the Kjaerhus Golden Audio Channel. As I recall, the Kjaerhus (non-free) stuff had some sort of license server type setup that made the software useless after their servers went down...(or was that someone else?).
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Re: Is Vintage Channel 64-bit?
2016/11/24 20:34:35
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I have no problem admitting I have emotional attachments to some of the older plug ins.
Sonitus Delay is one of them. it resembles the same characteristics of the old DiGiTech RDS 1900's.
Had a fixed 15Khz bandwidth and 8 bit digital sampling. This can be fine tuned in perfectly on the Sonitus Delay.
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