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Solved Sonar Platinum Punch in Vocal track in wrong place
First time I've tried punching in with Platinum. I had a song completed but the singer decided to redo the vocal track. We started at the beginning and part way through the singer messed up. I stopped the recording and punched him (it was after an instrumental break) and he recorded to the end of the song. When I stopped the recording and went back, the punched in portion had changed position. For example I punched him in at marker point 52, but after the recording stopped the punched in portion was positioned at marker point 45. I did it several times and each time it did the same thing. I closed down Sonar, restarted and tried again and it still did the same thing. I finally had the singer redo the entire vocal track (he was able to go through the complete song) and it recorded OK. I've punched in singers many times with X3 Producer and older versions. This is the first time I've done it with Platinum. I haven't changed anything in Sonar - its the defaults. The fix, as I posted, As WDM works. I deleted the aud.ini file, restart Sonar with the WDM mode. Switched to ASIO and it worked! brundelfly's suggestion of the aud.ini seems to be a key or at least a key in this.
post edited by fireberd - 2015/04/14 19:28:27
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Re: Punch in Vocal track in wrong place
2015/04/11 10:29:34
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I'm marking this Solved. I tried it to day, several times and could not duplicate the problem. Chalking it up to "FM".
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Re: Punch in Vocal track in wrong place
2015/04/11 11:33:11
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Jack, I had the same thing happen a couple of weeks ago and never did figure out what was the cause. I thought it was just me. Strange!!
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Re: Punch in Vocal track in wrong place
2015/04/11 11:51:53
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fireberd I'm marking this Solved. I tried it to day, several times and could not duplicate the problem. Chalking it up to "FM".
I was going to say this sounded like some miscommunication between SONAR and your audio driver about sample position. Re-initialization of the driver on reboot may have been necessary to fix it.
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Re: Punch in Vocal track in wrong place
2015/04/11 12:02:08
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I don't think it was a driver problem with my Roland Studio-Capture. It was recording when I punched in, just that after the recording was done Sonar repositioned it. The driver can't reposition what was recorded.
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Re: Punch in Vocal track in wrong place
2015/04/11 14:16:19
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No, but SONAR interacts with the driver to determine what sample position it was at when the recording started. If that was misreported or SONAR misread it, the record latency compensation could be based on a faulty value, causing the audio to be compensated to the wrong position after recording stops.
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Re: Punch in Vocal track in wrong place
2015/04/11 16:26:47
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I recorded a new track (complete track) and it worked OK, no "repositioning". There was a space at the beginning as there was the count in and the instrumental intro before the voice track started and it didn't reposition that.
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Re: Punch in Vocal track in wrong place
2015/04/11 17:04:19
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I've had something similar happen when looping a section and recording takes. It was off about a measure IIRC, and I could still use the takes by moving them to the correct location. If I turned off the looping feature, it recorded normally. It's happened two or three times and the fix was turning off looping. I realize this may be a slightly different scenario than yours, but someone else may have had this happen.
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Re: [Solved] Punch in Vocal track in wrong place
2015/04/11 21:03:10
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Ran into the exact same issue today. Still on X3e as a result of trying to recover from Q1 snow delays, but have run into this on numerous occasions when tracking vocal takes. It appears to be related to either punching in takes on a loop or using the metronome count in. if I get a 24 hr break, i'll try to document a repeatable set of conditions.
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Re: [Solved] Punch in Vocal track in wrong place
2015/04/12 01:42:12
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When this happened to me, I "fixed" it by turning off the metronome. I had a 2-bar count-in and somehow that was screwing up Sonar's timing. I didn't need the count for the punches I was doing, but if I had I would have considered this a serious problem.
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Re: [Solved] Punch in Vocal track in wrong place
2015/04/12 02:15:51
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As far as I know, the count-in issue always makes audio late, whereas the issue in this case was with audio being laid down early.
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Re: [Solved] Punch in Vocal track in wrong place
2015/04/12 06:47:40
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I have metronome turned off. Don't use it. Count ins are by voice. Same configuration I've had since I started using Sonar (V7) and never had a problem until this incident with Platinum.
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Re: [Solved] Punch in Vocal track in wrong place
2015/04/13 10:16:43
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Some more testing this morning. I can duplicate it every time with Platinum. I tried it with my Roland Studio-Capture and then with my Roland Octa-Capture. However, I tried it with X3 and it DOES NOT do it. So, its a valid problem with Platinum.
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Re: [Solved] Punch in Vocal track in wrong place
2015/04/13 10:23:50
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I only have the problem when I try to use the USB hookup on my POD HD500. If I use the audio outputs from the 500 to the interface it is fine. Only when I try the USB output does it put my audio in the wrong place. I'll have to check and see if the metronome is on. I'll check back.
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Re: [Solved] Punch in Vocal track in wrong place
2015/04/13 19:45:16
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☄ Helpfulby fireberd 2015/04/14 19:23:57
fireberd However, I tried it with X3 and it DOES NOT do it. So, its a valid problem with Platinum.
Are they both using ASIO driver mode at the same buffer settings and showing the same record latency compensation and Manual Offset (if any)? Also, make sure the Record and Playback Timing Masters are referencing the correct device. If everything checks out, you might want to try renaming Platinum's AUD.INI file and letting it build a new one. A few other users have reported problems that went away with a fresh AUD.INI.
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Re: [Solved] Punch in Vocal track in wrong place
2015/04/14 06:40:10
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I have a ticket open with support. However, I tried my Win 8.1 installation and it works OK (it is a dual boot system so all the same hardware and Roland drivers for recording interface units). Thus the Win 7 installation is the problem. I tried an uninstall from the CC, restarted the PC and then reinstalled but that was no good as the reinstall uses the existing image on the hard drive, doesn't download a new version. I'm now waiting response from support on how to get a "clean" uninstall/reinstall.
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Re: [Solved] Punch in Vocal track in wrong place
2015/04/14 09:01:24
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brundelfly, I tried aud.ini file, renamed it to origaud.ini. Let Sonar create a new one and the same. I then uninstalled the Roland Studio Capture, rebooted and did a fresh install. Still the same problem.
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Re: Sonar Platinum Punch in Vocal track in wrong place
2015/04/14 09:20:42
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I also had the issue recording started about 2 measures early, when punching section with loop/comping lead guitar takes, as some people noted turning off looping, may work if one retake is all your doing, really slows process and defeats purpose of comping feature. I had to manually offset tracks to line up so not a total loss but another operational annoyance not fully considered by developers. However, later just comping loops with some vocals I didn't have the issue, but wasn't using punch in, so maybe punching at same time was issue. I haven't retested this yet, to see if punch feature was causing the issue when also loop/comping sections, and don't really have the time to specifically test and retest these things, but will take note next time I need to do this to see if it happens again.
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Re: Sonar Platinum Punch in Vocal track in wrong place
2015/04/14 10:29:26
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My "punch in" does not use the punch in feature. I just play (space bar) and press "R" when I want to record, the press space bar to end it. I "think" I'm on to an ASIO driver problem (or a problem with ASIO in Sonar) as I just tried WDM and didn't have the problem. I did a reinstall on the Roland Studio Capture drivers but that didn't help. I created a new aud.ini file but that was with the ASIO drivers and that didn't fix it. As WDM works, I'm going to give the aud.ini another shot. I'm going to delete it, restart Sonar and use the WDM mode. If that works I'm going to switch to ASIO and see if that fixes it. brundelfly's suggestion of the aud.ini seems to be a key or at least a key in this.
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Re: Sonar Platinum Punch in Vocal track in wrong place
2015/04/14 12:40:46
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Hope it works for you, but Id like to think if features are available they should work properly without spending time in trying to find ways to work around bugs to make it somehow achieve the desired result or functionality. (in saying bugs, it may be possible there is a change in the way features function in a newer version.) I guess when your used to using things a certain way, and they work, and then don't after an upgrade its somewhat frustrating, particularly if it doesn't always do it the same, I'm thinking with other comments here in my case it may have had something to do with metronome and count-in, but I don't believe I'm doing anything different than I used to with previous versions, anyway hoping next patch fixes this if a bug and control bar issues also.
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Re: Sonar Platinum Punch in Vocal track in wrong place
2015/04/14 15:27:53
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Just to chime in. I have never experienced a problem like this until the other day. I was loop recording a guitar part and the recorded audio would be late by a measure or two. I did have the metronome on and a count in of 1 measure. If I disabled the looping it works with no problems. Seems to me a bug has crept in to Platinum. Hoping to hear if Cakewalk can reproduce.
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Re: Sonar Platinum Punch in Vocal track in wrong place
2015/04/14 19:23:49
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Looks like I finally fixed it. As previously mentioned WDM works. I deleted the aud.ini file, restart Sonar with the WDM mode. Switched to ASIO and it worked! brundelfly's suggestion of the aud.ini seems to be a key or at least a key in this. Thanks/Jack
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Re: Sonar Platinum Punch in Vocal track in wrong place
2015/04/14 19:55:13
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Thanks for the info Fireberd and Brundlelfly! I will see if that also fixes the looping and recording problem.
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