Why Is ProTools Cheaper?

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2015/04/11 19:47:50 (permalink)

Why Is ProTools Cheaper?

My apologies if this is the wrong forum, but the full version of Pro Tools is $24.99 vs Sonar Platinum which is $49.95 a month.   Just wondering why Pro Tools is so much cheaper then Sonar.  I thought they were always more expensive.

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    Dave Modisette
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    Re: Why Is ProTools Cheaper? 2015/04/11 19:50:56 (permalink)
    Because after 12 months you get to keep SONAR Platinum and it keeps on running with whatever features you have.

    From what I can tell, PT 12 ceases when you stop putting a quarter in the meter.

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    Re: Why Is ProTools Cheaper? 2015/04/11 19:52:50 (permalink)
    Thanks for that. I plan on paying for life (or until I stop recording).   I mean if i pay Sonar for a year (or the one time fee), I only get updates for the year.  Either way, im forced into renewing every year.   PT seems cheaper here, which surprises me.
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    Re: Why Is ProTools Cheaper? 2015/04/11 20:00:23 (permalink)
    It is not cheaper. Only first time SONAR members would pay $49.99/Mo with a $19.99 renewal. For users of X3 SONAR, Platinum is currently $14.99/Mo with a renewal price of $19.99.
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    Re: Why Is ProTools Cheaper? 2015/04/11 20:01:14 (permalink)
    Sure, but I am comparing first time user prices here.   PT has their upgrade prices too.   
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    Re: Why Is ProTools Cheaper? 2015/04/11 20:03:37 (permalink)
    But you are not a first time buyer and as Dave points out SONAR provides a non-expiring license. Over time even first time buyers would still pay less for SONAR based on published prices.
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    Re: Why Is ProTools Cheaper? 2015/04/11 20:03:50 (permalink)
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    Thanks for that. I plan on paying for life (or until I stop recording).  Either way, im forced into renewing every year.  

    You're not forced into renewing Sonar every year. After a year with Sonar, you keep the software for life. After a year with PT, Avid has your money, and you have nothing. Even if you decided to stop recording sometime down the line, you'd never be able to revisit your mixes in PT, cause you wouldn't have a program to play them with. Even at $24.95 a month, that seems like a rip off to me.
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    Re: Why Is ProTools Cheaper? 2015/04/11 20:05:18 (permalink)
    very true!  Plus what does PT have to offer that Sonar doesn't?  For real
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    Re: Why Is ProTools Cheaper? 2015/04/11 20:30:32 (permalink)
    Well, (I always want to be respectful to our hosts) there is a certain slant that Pro Tools lends itself to that, IMHO, is more powerful when doing certain tasks like editing, beat detection, audio stretching and setting up markers.  But then, there are things where SONAR wins hands down.  (Melodyne ARA, input monitoring is easier, loop recording and comping.)
     
    If I am recording someone else, I prefer to use Pro Tools 11.  If I am creating my own music, then SPat tends to shine there.  That doesn't mean that I can't switch roles at any time and use either product if I want to.  A little more refinement on AudioSnap and the implementation of some feature requests that I've posted in the Features forum and I'd be a totally happy camper with SPlat.

    I'm not upgrading to Pro Tools 12 native (as of now) because I don't see that Avid really cares about my market segment.  I wouldn't advise anyone to get on the PT 12 bandwagon unless they have the bucks to go whole hog with all the hardware and they have the business to support it and demand that level of gear.

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    Re: Why Is ProTools Cheaper? 2015/04/11 20:31:30 (permalink)
    Realistically, it's lacking a lot that Sonar has.
     


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    Re: Why Is ProTools Cheaper? 2015/04/11 22:16:26 (permalink)
    alewgro
    .I mean if i pay Sonar for a year (or the one time fee), I only get updates for the year.


    Isn't that the same for all DAW's? Before platinum the most you would get with Sonar was 5 service releases.
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    Re: Why Is ProTools Cheaper? 2015/04/11 23:12:07 (permalink)
    The Avid perpetual license model is virtually identical to Cakewalks. If you buy a perpetual license it's a yearly fee of $200 for support and updates. The Avid site does say that bug fixes are not part of the subscription so even if your subscription expires you can still get bug fixes. If you don't buy a perpetual license, PT stops working when your subscription expires whether you've paid for a year or not.

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    Re: Why Is ProTools Cheaper? 2015/04/11 23:19:56 (permalink)
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    The Avid perpetual license model is virtually identical to Cakewalks.



    But I think the upfront price is a lot more...$899 for PT vs. $499 for SONAR Platinum. 

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    Re: Why Is ProTools Cheaper? 2015/04/12 00:55:19 (permalink)
    TomHelvey
    The Avid perpetual license model is virtually identical to Cakewalks. If you buy a perpetual license it's a yearly fee of $200 for support and updates. The Avid site does say that bug fixes are not part of the subscription so even if your subscription expires you can still get bug fixes.




    The main, big, huge and even rude reality of Avid is - pay annually these $200 - or buy new when you need an upgrade later. The license is frozen at that stage you stopped paying.
     
    Options then are:
    a) buy new perpetual license $899
    b) start renting by the month $30, or by comitment for the year $25/month. Stop working within 4 days after lapsed payment.
     
    There is no penalty for staying out a year when it comes to Sonar. Meaning you can make a statement if not satisfied, for a year or until something new or something is fixed on bugfront - and then just re-enter again for whatever annual fee is for your version. This is a true dialog - that I appreciate.
     
    Avid's statement is more like - one way from a dictator. Avid holds all the aces up it's sleeve.
    If you want any - new feature - you options are listed above.
     
    The only thing that Avid claims - that might be one up on Cakewalk - that they will provide bugfixes as a separate thing for perpetual licenses. So you can update that forever for the frozen perpetual license you've got. Yet to be seen though - how much of that is really showing up. What I mean is that is quite a task to separate any version out there - from any new feature. You are to keep a separate tracking of which new code was in what version - and do bugfixes on that for each persons frozen license - and provide as separate update. So don't hold your breath till that happends.
     
    And remember that ProTools has plenty artificial limitations - like track count and no on-track monitoring being part of native ProTools(without hardware which is like $3000 starters).
    post edited by lfm - 2015/04/12 01:08:51
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    Re: Why Is ProTools Cheaper? 2015/04/12 01:26:07 (permalink)
    Actually we really need to use PTHD to be able to make a more accurate comparison to Sonar Platinum features.

    Unless you buy hardware you can't get PTHD, or someone with hardware and multiple licences sells you a licence, which is how I got PTHD9. Now just to upgrade is $599.

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    Re: Why Is ProTools Cheaper? 2015/04/12 03:37:06 (permalink)
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    The Avid perpetual license model is virtually identical to Cakewalks.



    But I think the upfront price is a lot more...$899 for PT vs. $499 for SONAR Platinum. 


    Yeah, and if your subscription expires, you have to buy a new license at full boat retail. My copy of PT came with some hardware I got for a decent price so my total investment so far has been $200 for the 11 update. Getting 12 for me isn't altogether unreasonable but I haven't seen much worth pulling the trigger for yet other than the promise of updates. I use SPlat pretty much exclusively for my backing track work (It has notation, utterly indispensable for me) and Live for my creative stuff.
     

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