Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade.

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2015/04/14 14:36:46 (permalink)

Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade.

It seems like every time I do an upgrade with Sonar that I have to "rescan my Waves license".  Only this time I cannot recover my license because it says I am limited to one recovery a year.
 
I hardly ever use my Waves plugins (mostly because of this kind of license issue).  I only have them on my home studio PC and I rarely do anything else on that PC these days in terms of upgrades of hardware or software.
 
Is this an issue purely with Waves, or does the act of upgrading my Sonar software cause this?  I must admit it seems to be tied to the latter but maybe it's just coincidence.  How do other people who have Waves plugins overcome these kind of crummy license issues?
 
For some reason the Waves Center keeps seeing my home studio PC as a different PC every time I launch it.  I have the same PC listed multiple times in Waves Center.  The licenses are listed as belonging to another named version of the same PC.
 
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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/14 14:44:17 (permalink)
    Are you sure you are doing the right thing?
    Doing a too heavy recover thingy, or?
     
    I mean Reset in Sonar scan, and do rescan - is what I do.
     
    What kind of issue are you having?
    Cannot see plugins in plugin manager?
     
    Never had to fiddle with Waves anything but that.
    Sonar finds two waves shell, one for VST2 and one for VST3.
     
    If you start moving these shells around by yourself you might be in for trouble next time you run Waves installer.
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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/14 15:44:12 (permalink)
    Nothing like that happens to me either and I use my Horizon bundle constantly on two computers (USB key license). If you are still covered by WUP, their support is great.
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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/14 15:56:36 (permalink)
    I am not doing any recovery or any movement of my plugins. These days I leave my setup "well alone" and avoid tweaks and special handling. I no longer even change installation settings because I don't want any issues caused by me trying to improve the way things are installed.

    I guess that is what's frustrating because I keep getting these issues with Waves for the few times I use their stuff.
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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/14 16:47:47 (permalink)
    I put my waves license on my DAW computer, don't have to worry about dongle, never had a problem with any of them not being recognized or not working properly.  If you want to use the waves stuff on another computer, simply transfer license to a usb stick, and any computer that has the plugs your license covers will be recognized. If you still have problems, contact waves support, they have good support techs.

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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/14 16:51:30 (permalink)
    Thanks but my plugins are only ever on one computer. I don't use a dongle and I am not trying to transfer anything.

    For the little I use Waves, I'm tempted to throw the towel in. This may not be worth the effort. These were bought on a special a while ago and I may just write them off as a waste. A bit like Antares plugins a while ago.

    *sigh*
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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/14 16:55:45 (permalink)
    Any suggestions for an alternative to the Waves Rbass plugin that is part of the Sonar Platinum stuff? That's really all I was trying to use.

    Or maybe a freebie plugin that is similar? I am not looking to spend any (more) money
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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/14 17:09:52 (permalink)
    I've moved through Sonar X3+all updates and Platinum+all updates without the Waves licenser being upset in the slightest or even noticing Sonar has changed.

    Waves licenser isn't tied to the DAW software in any way at all. I also use the plugins in Live, again without a problem.

    It sounds like your Waves installation is the problem here, not Sonar.

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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/14 17:29:32 (permalink)
    It does seem like it's more of a Waves plugin issue.  Though this problem reappeared after I upgraded from Braintree to Cambridge.  And I've had the problem reappear on previous upgrades.  Now these might all be Waves issues, but something about the upgrade seems to be related, even if Sonar is not the culprit.  I wonder if any other Sonarites have experienced these kinds of issues before.
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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/14 17:30:11 (permalink)
    Waves stuff is sometimes dismissed as dated or worse sounding than the competition (especially some of their vintage modeling attempts) but they have a whole bunch of specialty plugins that are done really well and that don't always exist elsewhere. Renaissance Bass is one like that. However there are plugs that do something LIKE it. I blatantly googled these, but:
    Fielding Reviver
    BBE harmonic maximizer (part of the sonic suite)
    Crysonic Nxstacy
    PSP MixBass

    I don't think they're free. In Sonar, you could use a parallel track and add some distortion on it to generate harmonic content, then mix that with the original. It would probably be useful to have a distortion that lets you balance even and odd harmonics, I'm not sure if there's anything with Sonar that lets you do that. I use Klanghelm SDRR sometimes, it was like 19 bucks but it's very versatile.

    Edit:
    Apparently these are free and do something similar:https://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/downloads/
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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/14 21:51:23 (permalink)
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    I wonder if any other Sonarites have experienced these kinds of issues before.



    Not here, no problems at all, all working fine.
     
    Are you using the latest versions of the waves plugs ? version 9+, VST3 ?
    Where is Sonar's VST scan pointing to in regards your Waves stuff ?
    Is your Waves installation to default locations ?
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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/14 22:27:36 (permalink)
    I have no problem with my Waves plugins, and I have a few. They work well in both my Sonar Pro and Reaper DAW... and Reaper isn't officially licensed to do so with Waves. My question to you is this: What version of Waves are you using? 9.2 is the latest version. Some of thier plugins in the older versions are not updated within the said version. Like others have advised, I would call Waves support because your problem isn't a Sonar one. I have the Musicians Bundle, C6 Multiband and the Vocals Bundle. As well as a few CLA plugs and a couple of the Eddie Kramer guitar plugins. No problem whatsoever. Call Waves support.
    post edited by thaddeusjon - 2015/04/14 22:33:45
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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/14 23:27:04 (permalink)
    I Had a issue a few weeks back with v8r install, and Sonar/win 8.1 and Waves v8r...freezing up Sonar Platinum BT1 on startup scanning.
     
    I got the v9 update for the issue of freezing when opening sonar on them v8r Plugs, but had issues with ilok + and v8r and upgrades in Waves Plugins, as is, is no longer supporting usb dongle with ilok...or usb hard drive, that may have a installed old licence on my system ....Which was solved by unplugging the usb HD drives ,  from my system, just to make sure.
     
    Could be when getting the transfer of the licence to a new "usb memory stick" ( the remote tech put on the licences for v9 ), or other none usb drive (was a choice he gave me), seemed a issue could be with usb and older versions?... With the remote tech who went into my system, removed all old 8vr references and dlls, and such, and then installed the new v9 upgrades...The old licences are still on the usb dongle, perhaps caused confusion with me here, and we got it sorted by removing them from there also...
     
    , until i remove V8r licences from the usb HD drive through Ilok? (which removed all my licences from the usb dongle, to the cloud, and then put em back, by my command, with out any waves licences on that dongle...wink...As Sonar may still see something in ilok or HD usb of the old plugs, if you do not do this  complete removal of the old?.
     
    I now find the V9 plugs in Sonar, and are working good when the usb HD is disconnected, as I have not as yet reconnected it to see if it still has licences on it to be removed as of yet...But perhaps by next week it will be checked out on ilok to see....(cannot say it is completely solved yet...I need my backup drive portable).....
     
    I wonder if networking a drive for all connected to the network could hold all licences for all machines...would it cause issues in win 8.1 and Sonar/audio.
     
    .
     
    So Waves support , with remote viewing, if you cannot sort it out....Is fantastic with that support!
     
    Not sayin this is your solution, but I know it is confusing me all these updates....and things get muddled up all by them selves when you do update.....I sware!...lol
     
    Cheers and Regards!
     
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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/15 01:43:30 (permalink)
    I have had problems with Waves but only when adding or updating plugins and usually pilot error caused by not reading instructions. Waves support was great on one issue, prompt and accurate reply to email tech questions.

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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/15 02:51:59 (permalink)
    Put v8r installer exe on a drive, run it, it works for over one year, and then,... something changes with daw revisions...oh no pilot error.....Right....lol..., mudgel....Then everything needs a update,...oh lookie here, more MS updates after all is thought done,... who would of thunk I could of thought such a thought?....round and round we go....us pilots surely fly in circles, and pay more each time we complete a circuit, so moe error occurs wit dat...I say!...wink
     
     

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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/15 03:29:13 (permalink)
    OT but sort of in topic,,  Now my new v9 waves plugs do not work good in my older 32 bit software.(Acid Pro 7e)( I just love to loop loops in that, and make drum plots with L2 maximizer)..So I do not use it in that DAW any more, as it eventually crashes when used....( Acid pro is no longer supported by Sony updates for some time now)..But you see the forced path of updates ..was to fix bugs in the software/os/drivers, once upon a time...now it is a path to cause mid air collisions with pilots running out of gas, having to land, and buy something to replace the old, with da new...but the ground crew keeps shortening and putting curves in the runway...Thank god for battery powered solar infused outer hull upgrade i did do in my delusional thinking it would save me money....worth every virtual dollar....to always need a update, seems more in tune to something deviously lurking behind the idea to need em....in the first place was to fix something....oh yah pilots.....sorry  just had to..go on without landing...lol
     

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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/15 03:45:05 (permalink)
    Nurse . . .  Nurse . . .  Nurse !!!! . . . 
     

    post edited by jih64 - 2015/04/15 04:14:10
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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/15 03:57:40 (permalink)
    What is that man smoking? I don't want any, I just want to know so I can stay away from it.

    When the nurse arrives Jeff, will you send them to me as well.

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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/15 04:14:50 (permalink)
    ok  OK....no need to call in the warden.....i'll stop jousting.... only, if they stop updating everything to need updates all the damn time.., and get the standards standardized, so no nurses are needed for the crashed and burnt out pilots!....lol.
     
    Again sorry for the fun flying circles, but seriously this is kind of R&D..and we never get paid with a bugless Daw usage....why?...
     
    You know this is not new technology...1989 - 2015 ...they have been developing Digital audio on varied platforms...and they all (those still playing the game) are now fixing to charge for yearly continued updates.....So you plot it out, and keep asking for Nurses, who will charge for the green pill to counter the red and blue ones they ask us to swallow before getting onboard...I spit mine out...you should of also...oh well, back to the update Posting mayham, and the original reason we are here...is for...but humor is good to lighten the spirits, without aviation fuel.

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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/15 04:23:15 (permalink)
    You gave me a good laugh Sir Les, it's ok, only joking as well. I do enjoy reading your posts, they do take you away to another place, you just keep on being 'Sir Les', and humor is indeed good to lighten the spirits.
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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/15 05:04:22 (permalink)
    Wink
     

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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/15 05:06:24 (permalink)
    Nudge, nudge....

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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/15 05:28:51 (permalink)
    No mudgel, No aviation fuel for you...You'll keep your hair longer without it,,,...trust me....The only reason I have eyebrows is because I covered my eyes with my hands before crashing....If I was using aviation fuel, who knows what I would look like now..(see avitar)..Photography eh, might work better for some scribes...but not you?...say no more...back to bunny training for me..so dem dar Knights in tights, stay at bay....wink.

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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/15 06:39:13 (permalink)
    Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more!

    An expression that comes from Monty Pythons Flying Circus.

    Clearly you didn't get the reference.

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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/15 19:39:51 (permalink)
    Bunnies are being trained as we speak.(Monty P Holy Grail like coconut horse ride through the Knights who say kneat) it's only a flesh wound"..run away!...I get it all, and laugh as to why,,, I said once ,.."if it don't work out of the box, return it asap"..Was a option once upon a time...but with this stuff called DAWs and Plugs it just is not returnable once opened....So my armies are being readied for some throat slashing pricing methods....As money taints all things...Could be why so many bugs continue with it....Perhaps, maybe, kinda, like sort of...eh?...oh blame the pilots you say?...nah....all variables on the table first...then make assumptions when all evidence is collected...and what was said is proven to be as said it would if it continued on with....But that is another funny book of notation scribbed..most do not Fathom as having validity in truths, to the words used..And here we have some proof bugs still exist with it's use pit upon, over, or for cost to be imposed....bugs...seems a variable it is, and should not be over looked today, with the so called evolved intelligence hidding under ground...wink...that is why bunnies are being trained...buggers can dig too...lol
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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/16 23:33:23 (permalink)
    hello various I had the same issue once with the waves license saying it can not fine my drive or my hard drive has changed . since then I have kept my license on a flash drive and have not had the issue since. but at the time  I was running bootcamp.
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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/16 23:45:29 (permalink)
    Waves support offered to connect remotely. For the moment I am politely declining. I don't like the idea of installing extra software on my PC, not least some remote access. I'm sure now that this is my only solution but it is hard to swallow given the sense that I feel I have done nothing unusual with my PC.

    Years ago I (virtually) dumped my Anteres plugins because of issues with paid-for licenses that I felt were not my fault.
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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/17 01:22:40 (permalink)
    FWIW their support is excellent and there are reports from folks on here who were really happy with the remote tech. I understand your apprehension though.
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    Re: Waves Center license rescan nonsense after Sonar upgrade. 2015/04/17 02:01:10 (permalink)
    VariousArtist
    Waves support offered to connect remotely. For the moment I am politely declining. I don't like the idea of installing extra software on my PC, not least some remote access. I'm sure now that this is my only solution but it is hard to swallow given the sense that I feel I have done nothing unusual with my PC.

    Years ago I (virtually) dumped my Anteres plugins because of issues with paid-for licenses that I felt were not my fault.


    I unintentionally activated the Waves Reel ADT using a thumb drive because my recording rig wasn't then 'net-connected. Waves offed to remotely switch me over (after I added wi-fi connectivity) but so far have also declined for similar reasons. But I think about pulling the trigger sometimes just to free up the USB port. 😀
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