Creating Internet friendly project files.

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2015/04/18 08:28:28 (permalink)

Creating Internet friendly project files.

Is there a procedure to reduce the size of a Sonar project for sharing on the internet?
 
Project example has 16 tracks which were imported as single clips.
I use the remove silence feature, very nice.  Checked box create separate clips.  The audio is reduced by ~40% as seen by clips.  (Feature request check box for follow snap settings.)
After save even though audio data is seen as less, the project file/data is still largely unchanged.
I tried saving as either .bun or project??
The Utilities for audio cleanup confuse me.  I just want to cleanup one project to copy to dropbox.
 
Thanks for any feedback.

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    brundlefly
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    Re: Creating Internet friendly project files. 2015/04/18 11:44:39 (permalink)
    Try a zip utility. In my experience, Zip compression is much more effective than whatever .BUN files use. Also, depending on what the goal is, you might want to create a low-bit depth version for sharing.

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    Re: Creating Internet friendly project files. 2015/04/18 11:51:24 (permalink)
    As well as zip try rar compression. Rar files are an open standard like zip and are often better compressed and smaller than zip files. Plus you can add in recovery information in case it gets corrupted.

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    Re: Creating Internet friendly project files. 2015/04/18 12:49:50 (permalink)
    Thanks I'll try zip/rar compression.  I still wish cakewalk had a project clean up which would work with remove silence.  I understand they are trying to protect users from deleting files shared between projects.  If one checks copy imported files to project folder I assume the risk??  Just my feedback.

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    Re: Creating Internet friendly project files. 2015/04/19 10:00:17 (permalink)
    Doesn't silence contain no audio? So silence would not contain any significant changes in your projects file size.
    Some projects are small and some are big. That's the way we make them. I send files and big projects all the time through the internet with no problems. You should not have any problems eithers. If you are, call your internet provider.
     
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    Re: Creating Internet friendly project files. 2015/04/19 10:16:26 (permalink)
    Recording "silence", as in flatline audio, still uses the full compliment of bits to store the data. Remove Silence splits out and deletes the "silent" parts of clips per your gate settings.

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    Re: Creating Internet friendly project files. 2015/04/20 15:18:50 (permalink)
    I think your right Brundlefly.  A silent audio sample is a unit of data.  Perhaps in compressed audio the silence is not a factor in file size (mp3).
     
    CJ - I would still like my saved projects to contain only relevant data for transfer and archive.

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    Re: Creating Internet friendly project files. 2015/04/21 04:18:03 (permalink)
    The silence is relevant data when it comes to an audio file.

    The only factors that count as far as the size of the file is not the audio content but length of the total audio file, the bit depth and sample rate and of course the number of tracks of audio, and whether they are stereo or mono.

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    Re: Creating Internet friendly project files. 2015/04/21 08:14:30 (permalink)
    Look for FLAC file options also.
    If not available for bundle files, it could be a good option maybe.
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    Re: Creating Internet friendly project files. 2015/04/21 08:34:58 (permalink)
    Before you upload, create a new directory and save the entire project in this new folder. It will only save what's currently used in the file so it effectively "cleans up" your folder. 
     
    If you do that and go look at the size of the old dir vs the new dir, you'll see that the new one is much smaller. 
     
    Then you can zip/rar if you like. 
     
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    Re: Creating Internet friendly project files. 2015/04/21 12:01:33 (permalink)
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    I think your right Brundlefly.  A silent audio sample is a unit of data.  Perhaps in compressed audio the silence is not a factor in file size (mp3).
     
    CJ - I would still like my saved projects to contain only relevant data for transfer and archive.




    ZIP was developed primarily for text type data, where the common occurrence of similar strings of data (how many 'the's' are in the file?) allow for pretty impressive compression. It can be used for other forms of data, but the more random the data is, the less compression you can expect. The main savings in MP3 is the deliberate loss of audio data that is expected on the basis of psychoacoustic factors to make the final sound less easy to distinguish from the original. FLAC is lossless, and optimized to compress the kind of data in an audio file, but it can only be applied to pure audio, not mixed forms of data like a Cakewalk project. Most forms of compression will find a long string of zeroes easy enough to reduce in size dramatically, so true silence (absence of data) will compress only a bit more than audible silence (minutes worth of bytes representing zero). 
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    Re: Creating Internet friendly project files. 2015/04/21 13:31:19 (permalink)
    i'm just doing this in a cross-country collab, and finding out that the new Sonar Platinum isn't making proper .bun files, is "forgetting" to include some .wav's, and won't even open bundles it JUST saved.
     
    anyone else experience this?

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    Re: Creating Internet friendly project files. 2015/04/22 11:13:23 (permalink)
    gbowling
    Before you upload, create a new directory and save the entire project in this new folder. It will only save what's currently used in the file so it effectively "cleans up" your folder. 
     
    If you do that and go look at the size of the old dir vs the new dir, you'll see that the new one is much smaller. 
     
    Then you can zip/rar if you like. 




    I would definitely go by the "Save As" to clean up recommendation. This is the best you can do quickly to eliminate audio files which are no longer needed. Then zip and upload ...
     
    I would not bother with anything else (especially not manual changes like stripping silent sections) because (a) it takes precious time which you can spend elsewhere and (b) your project may not sound the same afterwards because you might have edited something just a little bit too much (the human factor comes into play)
     

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