R-Mix does not seem to like Platinum. Could we get a nice noise reduction tool included?

I've been wrestling with the age old problem of hi gain guitar hum. Usually I play so fast and agressively it doesn't matter (the hum gets buried). Currently I'm working on something more delicate that requires high gain and sustain. As the notes hold that hum creeps in. Yes... my gear ain't great BUT R-Mix's Noise Reduction "Hum" setting got rid of it immediately.
 
Problem... uber crash and the project got corrupted (and I lost all my takes). I ain't blaming Sonar. R-Mix has always been a little freaky and causes unexpected weirdness (which is likely one of the reasons it has been removed amongst the corporate restructuring) but it does do some things quite well.
 
So I am asking, especially considering how many guitar players use Sonar, whether a) the user base feels a simple yet flexible/effective noise reduction tool would be worth the Baker's time and b) if the Baker's would consider conjuring up such a goodie for us that will work well in Sonar 2015 and tossing it in (or at least making it available for a decent price)?
 
It would help me and my noisy little endevours immensely. I ain't asking for Ozone level stuff. Just something that can quickly remove some of the more common noises one may encounter like hum, hiss, etc without sucking the life out of a performance.
 
Cheers. Hope everyone is well.
 
Edit: And just a short description of the crash for those who may be curious...
 
I had added R-Mix to two guit tracks. Set the Noise Reduction to Hum and had it set moderately. I went to try out some different input tones (dual input track and one track was much lower with less sustain than the other so I wanted to fix it). When I engaged echo and started playing I was getting MASSIVE latency (like about a full second delay). I turned off R-Mix... no difference. Enable/disabled PDC. No difference. Screwed with my interface buffers. No difference. Ended up getting an audio engine dropout (which happens sometimes when screwing with buffer settings with Sonar open)... then a full on crash. First major crash with SPlat. Had to end the task with Task Manager. Reopened the project after rebooting. Massive whitescreen and hang when reopenening the project and the same latency issue persisted. The Sonar reported latency was within usual/normal parameters. Reverted back to an earlier version of the project which was fine.
 
I may try to get the takes out of the corrupted project into the new project but it's probably better/easier to just retrack because I was not happy with the input tone anyway. Just thought maybe I'd give more details for the looky loo's and powers that be. This is is obviously an R-Mix conflict. SPlat has been pretty darn solid for me so far. I am only on Braintree though so maybe this is a known issue and I'm an idiot for not updating yet however I am trying to avoid some of the other issues until the next release as I have not yet had any major problems with Braintree.

As an alternative, Reaper's freeware plugin bundle, ReaPlugs, includes ReaFIR, which can be used to capture noise profiles and subtract the noise from your audio. 
 
http://www.reaper.fm/reaplugs/

benjaminfrog
As an alternative, Reaper's freeware plugin bundle, ReaPlugs, includes ReaFIR, which can be used to capture noise profiles and subtract the noise from your audio. 
 
http://www.reaper.fm/reaplugs/

Hi, Ben. Does it work better than Audacity's noise removal? I found that severely crippled the overall tone of the audio on other things I've tried. I think in many ways I don't want it to take a sample of noise when there is no playing going on because that yanks out too much. A little hiss or whatever gets buried in the action and those sample based NR thingies seem to yank out the sweetness because it's removing what would not be heard anyway.
 
I'm thinking more of a tool that targets known/common problem noise which R-Mix seems to have done (in this case) without affecting anything else. Having adjustable paramaters would be nice on top of baseline presets but really I'm assuming the cake lads know exactly which noises are the most common and how to remove them.
 
I'll take a look at the Rea plug though. Maybe it is adjustable and able to target things a little better. Since R-Mix worked so well though I may just set up a project destined to die and try to get the reduction don in that then reimport into the actual project. PITA but it could work. I only really started having problems once I started trying to capture more live input.

SoundSoap 3 (the old bias) is inexpensive and works quick and easy with no problems for me (8.53). I do a lot of work for a client who does on location podcasts (wind, hum, air conditioning, etc.) and I use it on noisy vocals from entry level mics / interfaces as well for room noise or pc hum.
 
SoundSoap 4 is out now.

JCody
I just had it grind Platinum to a halt while using it on a project with midi. Wow the latency it created on the midi input was ridiculous.
 And R-Mix wasn't on the midi track but on an audio track that I was copying.

Cool (but really... not cool). Thanks for confirming. It's a really cool concept for a plug but darned if it isn't a finicky bastige.
 

robbyk
SoundSoap 3 (the old bias) is inexpensive and works quick and easy with no problems for me (8.53). I do a lot of work for a client who does on location podcasts (wind, hum, air conditioning, etc.) and I use it on noisy vocals from entry level mics / interfaces as well for room noise or pc hum.
 
SoundSoap 4 is out now.

Right on. I'll check it out. Thank you.

Possibly use it in an earlier version of sonar to get rid of hum and import cleaned up files into platinum. Probably not much help; just a thought.

Beepster

JCody
I just had it grind Platinum to a halt while using it on a project with midi. Wow the latency it created on the midi input was ridiculous.
 And R-Mix wasn't on the midi track but on an audio track that I was copying.

Cool (but really... not cool). Thanks for confirming. It's a really cool concept for a plug but darned if it isn't a finicky bastige.
 

robbyk
SoundSoap 3 (the old bias) is inexpensive and works quick and easy with no problems for me (8.53). I do a lot of work for a client who does on location podcasts (wind, hum, air conditioning, etc.) and I use it on noisy vocals from entry level mics / interfaces as well for room noise or pc hum.
 
SoundSoap 4 is out now.

Right on. I'll check it out. Thank you.

I recommend Soundsoap 4 too. 

rabeach
Possibly use it in an earlier version of sonar to get rid of hum and import cleaned up files into platinum. Probably not much help; just a thought.

Hi Beepster...

I was just about to post this same idea... Get past all the warnings of opening a project in an earlier version of Sonar, do the noise reduction and export the result... Then import the track into the SPlat version...

I've searched for affordable (free is all I can afford) noise reduction tools and none have been very worthwhile... So I would avoid that chase and try the above as a workaround for now...

Keni

dubdisciple
Beepster, a tip when using Audition's noise reduction is that it is better to make multiple passes with gentle settings than one huge pass. If it sound "right" set at 50% reduction when i preview, i make two passes at 25% instead.

Cool tip and makes sense. Still don't think that will do what I need for this but it will go into the vault for later use.
 

Keni

rabeach
Possibly use it in an earlier version of sonar to get rid of hum and import cleaned up files into platinum. Probably not much help; just a thought.

Hi Beepster...

I was just about to post this same idea... Get past all the warnings of opening a project in an earlier version of Sonar, do the noise reduction and export the result... Then import the track into the SPlat version...

I've searched for affordable (free is all I can afford) noise reduction tools and none have been very worthwhile... So I would avoid that chase and try the above as a workaround for now...

Keni

It's expensive stuff but I guess considering how useful (and probably complicated to code) these types of tools are I guess people are willing to fork for it. I certainly would if there was cash around but you know how that goes. Probably lucky I even have the R-Mix option even if it is a screwaround to use.
 
Hope things have been looking up in Kennyland.

Strange, I just messed about with R-Mix for a bit and with the exception of its rather massive latency hit, it seems pretty stable here in Platinum. Obviously this doesn't help you at all, but it might be worth investigating to see what else might be causing the behaviour, since from here it doesn't look like it's a fundamental incompatibility with Platinum per se...

Indeed. The latency does persist when you disable it, but it you open preferences and exit again it should reset (that's what happens here anyway) - so if you can get it to work to do what you want it to do, I would just freeze or bounce the track with the hum zapped and then move on with the mix from there...

subtlearts
Indeed. The latency does persist when you disable it, but it you open preferences and exit again it should reset (that's what happens here anyway) - so if you can get it to work to do what you want it to do, I would just freeze or bounce the track with the hum zapped and then move on with the mix from there...

Excellent. I will try that. That is a much better method than exporting/importing/exporting into older versions. I did however go into Prefs (to check the reported latency) but I cannot recall at which stage. Also... well there was the hard crash. Still this is something to try and I thank you for checking.
 

SF_Green
Are you getting the standard 60 Hz hum or is a broader range of frequencies?  If it's the 60 Hz you can just do a very deep, very narrow Q cut at 60 Hz and the first couple harmonics at 120 Hz, 180 Hz, 240 Hz and see if that takes care of your problem without the need for an additional plug-in.

Awesome. I had tried the 60 hz notch with no joy but did not consider resonant freqs (nor am I experienced/educated enough to have hunted them down precisely). If that is the old school method for handling 60 cycle annoyances then I will definitely play with it and be sure to keep it in my technique toolkit. May not work for this (because I am not sure if it IS a 60 cycle issue) but this can confirm/troubleshoot the problem.
 
Just those three freqs or should I check for other spikes?
 
Thank you.

Beepster

subtlearts
Indeed. The latency does persist when you disable it, but it you open preferences and exit again it should reset (that's what happens here anyway) - so if you can get it to work to do what you want it to do, I would just freeze or bounce the track with the hum zapped and then move on with the mix from there...

Excellent. I will try that. That is a much better method than exporting/importing/exporting into older versions. I did however go into Prefs (to check the reported latency) but I cannot recall at which stage. Also... well there was the hard crash. Still this is something to try and I thank you for checking.
 

SF_Green
Are you getting the standard 60 Hz hum or is a broader range of frequencies?  If it's the 60 Hz you can just do a very deep, very narrow Q cut at 60 Hz and the first couple harmonics at 120 Hz, 180 Hz, 240 Hz and see if that takes care of your problem without the need for an additional plug-in.

Awesome. I had tried the 60 hz notch with no joy but did not consider resonant freqs (nor am I experienced/educated enough to have hunted them down precisely). If that is the old school method for handling 60 cycle annoyances then I will definitely play with it and be sure to keep it in my technique toolkit. May not work for this (because I am not sure if it IS a 60 cycle issue) but this can confirm/troubleshoot the problem.
 
Just those three freqs or should I check for other spikes?
 
Thank you.

if memory serves sonitus has a preset already set up for you; with minor tweaking it might work. more often than not now a days it doesn't but maybe worth a look.

Beepster
 
Just those three freqs or should I check for other spikes?
 

 
I would isolate a spot in your track where you can here just, or at least mostly, the hum and stick a spectrum/frequency analyze on it.  That should tell you how much harmonic action you're getting, and where to cut.

I have Audition 4 (from CS5.5), and the NR algorithms in it are quite excellent - from a simple noise capture/removal all the way to removals that allow you to EQ sculpt and hear only what you are removing. For what you are doing, I simply capture an extra second of "only noise" at the beginning and end of each take. For consistent background noise it gets used on every audio track before mixing (but is not free, although OEM copies of version 4 are still around in places).