AdamGrossmanLG
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Comping MIDI
I find comping MIDI to be a pain. When you go to the PRV, it shows ALL notes from different take lanes even when one lane is playing. How can I just focus PRV to show the notes I have active instead of all the takes?
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Re: Comping MIDI
2015/04/26 10:46:57
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☄ Helpfulby alewgro 2015/04/26 13:08:43
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Re: Comping MIDI
2015/04/26 11:11:35
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Comping MIDI and having ALL the notes in PRV at one time, is also a big issue for me! The only way I've found to deal with it is to speed comp the lanes down to a 'comp' lane, then delete the rest of the lanes that have been muted. By doing this though, I loose the ability to go back to the and re-edit my 'comp' lane.
Just occurred to me.... perhaps instead of deleting the muted lanes, I could take all the unused lanes, move to a new track and archive. Still, an awkward workaround.
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Re: Comping MIDI
2015/04/26 11:30:20
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There are two improvements I'd like to see with MIDI comping. This thread describes one. The other is a "Drum Machine" mode where you can comp while hearing previously recorded tracks.
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Re: Comping MIDI
2015/04/26 12:14:19
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I split all the tracks and then roll away (slip edit) the ones I am not editing. It is the only way I can do it.
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Re: Comping MIDI
2015/04/26 12:51:49
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View > Hide Muted Clips will take care of hiding notes of unused comp clips in the PRV until you flatten the comp. At that point, it would probably be best to copy the finished comp to another track and archive and hide the comped track. Or just be brave and throw out the comp takes. I try not to keep a lot of unused MIDI around for very long in any project.
Comping is not really well suited to MIDI in general especially where you have lots of overlapping notes. MIDI is so easily edited that just getting one halfway decent take, and fixing the individual errors is usually easier than comping. I wager that if audio could be edited with the same degree of selectivity, comping would never have been invented.
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Re: Comping MIDI
2015/04/26 13:05:07
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Re: Comping MIDI
2015/04/26 13:06:48
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Anderton
There are two improvements I'd like to see with MIDI comping. This thread describes one. The other is a "Drum Machine" mode where you can comp while hearing previously recorded tracks.
agree- that would be great.
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Re: Comping MIDI
2015/04/26 13:08:33
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brundlefly
View > Hide Muted Clips will take care of hiding notes of unused comp clips in the PRV until you flatten the comp. At that point, it would probably be best to copy the finished comp to another track and archive and hide the comped track. Or just be brave and throw out the comp takes. I try not to keep a lot of unused MIDI around for very long in any project.
Comping is not really well suited to MIDI in general especially where you have lots of overlapping notes. MIDI is so easily edited that just getting one halfway decent take, and fixing the individual errors is usually easier than comping. I wager that if audio could be edited with the same degree of selectivity, comping would never have been invented.
i get what your saying, because it is easily editable, why do 10 takes.. but I dont do 10 takes for accuracy reasons, I try out different parts, different riffs, etc... I noodle around until I get the part right, but I would want to have all those takes so I can compare. I wish it worked exactly like audio comping!
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Re: Comping MIDI
2015/04/26 13:18:19
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So what's not working about Hide Muted Clips in that scenario?
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Re: Comping MIDI
2015/04/26 13:19:18
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brundlefly
So what's not working about Hide Muted Clips in that scenario?
the fact that you gotta mute all your clips first.
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Re: Comping MIDI
2015/04/26 14:05:47
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The Comp tool automatically mutes everything you don't select to be active; there should be no need to individually mute clips in most cases.
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Re: Comping MIDI
2015/04/26 14:27:30
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brundlefly
The Comp tool automatically mutes everything you don't select to be active; there should be no need to individually mute clips in most cases.
Not with MIDI. When you go to PRV - all notes are still there
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Re: Comping MIDI
2015/04/26 17:11:03
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☄ Helpfulby alewgro 2015/04/26 18:48:05
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Not with MIDI. When you go to PRV - all notes are still there
Please tell me what I am missing here: 1. Set Loop selection for 4 bars. 2. Turn on Comping mode for recording. 3. Record 3 takes of MIDI data. 4. Heal any split clips and slip edit clips so that all are the same length. 5. Use comp tool to select desired take. 6. Open PRV and set View > Hide Muted Clips. I am only seeing the notes in the selected take as Dave (brundlefly) is saying. So I can understand the problem better, what are you doing that is different that the steps above? Ron
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Re: Comping MIDI
2015/04/26 18:44:19
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alewgro
Not with MIDI. When you go to PRV - all notes are still there
Please tell me what I am missing here:
1. Set Loop selection for 4 bars.
2. Turn on Comping mode for recording.
3. Record 3 takes of MIDI data.
4. Heal any split clips and slip edit clips so that all are the same length.
5. Use comp tool to select desired take.
6. Open PRV and set View > Hide Muted Clips.
I am only seeing the notes in the selected take as Dave (brundlefly) is saying.
So I can understand the problem better, what are you doing that is different that the steps above?
Ron
Ok that DOES work, i wasn't using the comping tool. I guess this could do the trick. I have to play around some more. Thanks!
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Re: Comping MIDI
2015/04/26 20:12:23
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Glad I could help.  FWIW, I do think MIDI comping needs improvement. For example, each clip created for each take should automatically extend for the entire duration of the loop when loop recording. That would eliminate the heal and slip edit steps in my procedure. Ron
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Re: Comping MIDI
2015/04/26 20:13:14
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SquireBum
Glad I could help.
FWIW, I do think MIDI comping needs improvement. For example, each clip created for each take should automatically extend for the entire duration of the loop when loop recording. That would eliminate the heal and slip edit steps in my procedure.
Ron
Agree! thx again!
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Re: Comping MIDI
2015/04/26 21:44:32
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Works as SquireBum says!
But.....not to cross this up thread too much here, there is no such command to "View > Hide Muted Clips" in the Staff View. What I previously wrote post #3, is my way of dealing with all the notes, from all the takes, all showing up in the Staff View.
Which has likely been mentioned in the very long "No Notation Fixes" thread.
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Re: Comping MIDI
2015/04/27 00:29:49
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Works as SquireBum says!
But.....not to cross this up thread too much here, there is no such command to "View > Hide Muted Clips" in the Staff View. What I previously wrote post #3, is my way of dealing with all the notes, from all the takes, all showing up in the Staff View.
Which has likely been mentioned in the very long "No Notation Fixes" thread.
Michael
How about moving only the flattened comp to a new track, rather than moving all the unused clips? It's almost the same as your suggestion in #3, but it seems that moving only the one comp take would be less effort and leave all of the original takes in place. Ron
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Re: Comping MIDI
2015/04/27 09:37:49
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Good idea just moving the comp track. In fact copying the comp track it to a new track sounds
like the way to go. Archive the original comp with all it's lanes intact for use later if needed.
Still, I'd like a View> Hide Muted Clips available in the Staff View.
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Re: Comping MIDI
2015/04/27 09:46:16
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SquireBum
How about moving only the flattened comp to a new track, rather than moving all the unused clips?
Seems to be an echo in here. See post #6. 
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Re: Comping MIDI
2015/04/27 09:52:54
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Re: Comping MIDI
2015/04/27 10:23:20
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In any case, I agree Staff View should also have Hide Muted Clips, and it's been requested in the FR forum that this mode honor lane muting as well as clip muting.
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