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2015/04/29 00:24:49 (permalink)

Rapture Pro - First Impressions

 
Download and install went just fine, no complaints.
Browser
Looks nicer than the old directory tree view, all of the content from Dim Pro and Rapture showed up just fine. However without a search function or attribute tags there is little functional difference from the legacy synths. The scroll bar handles don't resize to give you a hint as to how many entries are in the list. You still have to double click to load a preset but loading does seem to be quicker. I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how a synth organ patch qualifies as an electric guitar.
Sounds
Some of the Dom Kane presets sound pretty good, almost usable out of the box. Other than that, most of the content seems to be recycled from Dimension Pro and Rapture. Out of the box there isn't much that I'd want to put on a track without a lot of tweaking, and there is a lot of it there. This is true with most synths with large preset libraries I guess, but it would be nice to get some clean patches to start with instead of overdesigned monsters. There is also an issue with some of the patch levels, even with the input turned down to -9 db on the channel, some of the patches hit +6 or more while others are barely audible.
Instrument View
Nifty. Macro controls are a good thing. 10 entry MIDI config list, looks like it will work.
Mixer
Pretty nice. 2 send effects, 1 insert effect, lots of options. The master eq is a nice touch. The mod matrix has 24 entries, but if you want to use the macros you have to use a slot so technically 16, it depends on what you want to do. It looks like the effects can be in series with the element output or used as sends.
Element Editor
It looks like you can have 5 waveforms and one multisample element? Multimode with detune looks like it will be very useful. Nice modulation section: pitch, cutoff(1,2), res(1,2), pan, amp (step, env, lfo). Fx routing has a bunch of options. Each element has an eq. The load element functionality dumps you into a windows file box in the Multisamples directory with the filter set to *.elem, however there doesn't appear to be any *.elem files there or in the directories underneath it. Browsing waveforms is easier since it seems to know where they are. I saved the best for last, you can set the wheel for 2 octaves... w00t.
 
Overall it looks nice but there are a few things that could be sorted to make it a lot better. I haven't used Dimension Pro or Rapture much lately because it's a lot easier to get what I want from other dedicated synths (Kontakt, Omnisphere, Z3TA, Sylenth, Massive, etc). The UI looks like it's a bit more intuitive than Dimension Pro or Rapture, and the new stuff looks pretty good. I normally end up needing sounds that are weird combinations of real instruments, waveforms, and not so real processing, if I can find the .elem files I might be in business.
 
Next step: RTFM and make something useful from an init preset, I'll get back to you later.
 
 
 
 

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Re: Rapture Pro - First Impressions 2015/04/29 06:00:12 (permalink)
Thanks for review.
 
Is there any abilities more - like assigning the elements to other than one stereo out?
 
And also look for improvements to tweak envelopes.
I have Dimension Pro - and find it cumbersome to work with.
Thinking of maybe a giant screen option - to tweak same envelope for all 6 elements or similar.
Massive amount of things you can do with envelopes - but unless accessible it never happends.
 
I would liked to have seen some oversampling option built in - to overall improve aliasing.
I did some experiments with Dimension Pro with a plugin that oversampled, and string were improved in very nice way.
 
Things like these would have made a no-brainer to me. Now I am indifferent so far to what I know or what is revealed as features.
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Re: Rapture Pro - First Impressions 2015/04/29 09:08:17 (permalink)
Thanks for the review. For me it reads like, old sound in new gui with some improved possibilities.
 
I have synths and samplers like Kontakt, z3ta+2, Rapture, DimPro, MachFive and Zebra2.
Do I will have fun with Rapture-Pro when it comes to "sound" and not only to nice look and feel?
 
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Re: Rapture Pro - First Impressions 2015/04/29 16:10:10 (permalink)
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Download and install went just fine, no complaints.
Browser
Looks nicer than the old directory tree view, all of the content from Dim Pro and Rapture showed up just fine. However without a search function or attribute tags there is little functional difference from the legacy synths. The scroll bar handles don't resize to give you a hint as to how many entries are in the list. You still have to double click to load a preset but loading does seem to be quicker. I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how a synth organ patch qualifies as an electric guitar.

 
There is search functionality in the Browser. Above the info bar you'll see a text field where you can search and find patches.
 
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Sounds
Some of the Dom Kane presets sound pretty good, almost usable out of the box. Other than that, most of the content seems to be recycled from Dimension Pro and Rapture. Out of the box there isn't much that I'd want to put on a track without a lot of tweaking, and there is a lot of it there. This is true with most synths with large preset libraries I guess, but it would be nice to get some clean patches to start with instead of overdesigned monsters. There is also an issue with some of the patch levels, even with the input turned down to -9 db on the channel, some of the patches hit +6 or more while others are barely audible.

 
 
Within Rapture Pro there are just under 1,000 original Rapture Pro presets. That qualifies as a decent amount of presets to me for a shiny new synth :) Also, we've combed through a lot of the patches to make sure that MOST of them are the same levels. Some patches seem to sound better at louder volumes. We apologize for turning it up to 11 \m/ \m/
 
 
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Element Editor
It looks like you can have 5 waveforms and one multisample element? 
 

 
There is no limit to the amount of waveforms and multisample combinations within the 6-element architecture in Rapture Pro.
 



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Re: Rapture Pro - First Impressions 2015/04/30 11:44:59 (permalink)
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Thanks for the review. For me it reads like, old sound in new gui with some improved possibilities.



This is what I've been wondering about.  Has anything changed in the sound engine itself from Dimension Pro and Rapture to Rapture Pro?  I know there are some effects routing differences, but are the filters the same?  Is there new functionality to link filters and dsp between elements (Rapture had independent dsp sections for each element)?  Is the way the engine handles wavetables and multisamples the same?  So far from the little time I've spent playing with Rapture Pro, it sounds pretty much like Rapture to me although I haven't done an A to B comparison.  That's not really a problem to me as I always thought Rapture and Dimension Pro sounded good, I'm just curious to know if there's new functionality I should be playing around with.
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Re: Rapture Pro - First Impressions 2015/04/30 13:12:30 (permalink)
I've been wondering the same. Nice gui update but rapture appears to do most if not all the things rapture pro does except open dimpro programs. I haven't purchased rapture pro yet.
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Re: Rapture Pro - First Impressions 2015/04/30 13:29:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2015/04/30 18:51:48
The simple review is:
 
1) The UI for the browser needs a big improvement. Fiddly and we can't expand to the whole screen. Searching more than once is a bit fiddly. Also you can't get a central view of all libraries.
2) File management needs work. We don't know where it thinks the samples are. We can't change the paths to sample libraries within the settings either.
3) The sample libraries needs work. There are various missing files and sound levels fluctuate.
4) Importing existing sound libraries needs work. Many reports of libraries not working whatsoever.
5) You don't get direct notification for errors it is suppressed in log files (if you can get them to work).
 
On the plus side the engine looks like it is much improved and takes up less CPU, and the UI for designing the sounds seems cool and is extensive/user friendly (I haven't fully tested it).
 
In short I feel the product was released a few months too early. There is still huge potential here but it feels half baked.... for now. The really good news is that Cakewalk appears interested in improving the product, so it could be a slow burner.... When that happens it will be a worthy upgrade.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/04/30 13:36:17
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Re: Rapture Pro - First Impressions 2015/04/30 19:13:51 (permalink)
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For me it reads like, old sound in new gui with some improved possibilities.

For me the GUI seems a little more accessible.  It is nice to be able to get to all the patches from one interface, even if that interface is still not very optimal.
 
Regarding the sounds, my first impression is that most of the "new content" is little more than taking several old patches and mixing them together.  I am not seeing a lot of new really useful instrument sounds that stand on their own.  For instance none of the stuff under the "pianos" folder sounds much like a piano to me.  Likewise for bass, guitar, or strings.
 
If I dig into the legacy folders, I find more "pure" sounds.
 

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Re: Rapture Pro - First Impressions 2015/05/01 00:40:24 (permalink)
After playing with it a bit more, I think one of the nicest features is that it can load both Dim Pro and Rapture patches. I always thought Dimension Pro and Rapture were basically the same synth with a few non-intersecting features, it was puzzling to me why they didn't have just one. There are some pretty good sounds in the old versions and extensions and the new browser does make things a bit easier to find. I ended up finding the search functionality after RTFM, it IS kind of hard to see unless you know where to look.
 

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Re: Rapture Pro - First Impressions 2015/05/01 01:46:58 (permalink)
I've been working with kick drum synthesis in Rapture - low frequency sine waves - but the sound quality is way better in Rapture Pro. Must be some engine changes.

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Re: Rapture Pro - First Impressions 2015/05/01 03:57:51 (permalink)
Is this image actual size, or is it a larger GUI
http://www.sweetwater.com...0/RapturePro-large.jpg

 
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