Alex B.
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Gibson and Sonar
Hello,
My question is probably a bit stupid (and my english not very well).
Will Gibson (Tascam) released a completely integrated surface for Sonar as Roland had done with the VS-700? Is there had new hardware produced from the takeover of Cakewalk ?
Thank you :)
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Re: Gibson and Sonar
2015/05/03 04:11:50
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I don't believe it would be a good business decision to release something like the VS-700. Sonar is too customizable now and changes too rapidly to put out a piece of hardware that is designed for Sonar specifically.
That said, will TASCAM put out a control surface with Sonar in mind? Maybe, but I doubt it will raise the bar against competition. Especially when a lot of people have their eyes now set on X-Touch. I'm good with my VS-700 though for a while I think. Still works really well as a hardware controller.
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Re: Gibson and Sonar
2015/05/03 16:18:40
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It would be nice to see something, but until - find a used VS-700 it does integrate very well until there are other specific options....
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Re: Gibson and Sonar
2015/05/04 02:27:02
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I think the joining of all these businesses is still too young to bring about such products. I think Henry has been wise to give Cakewalk the opportunity to solidify as a brand and get control of the Sonar development process to bring about such great releases as X3 and now Sonar with its membership program.
BUT we also don't know what is in the development pipeline from Tascam that may be married to Sonar sometime in the future.. Already Tascam has brought driver development in house and the benefits are tangible in their new products as well as reinvigorating some not so old products.
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tlw
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Re: Gibson and Sonar
2015/05/04 08:09:22
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The problem with hardware dedicated to a particular software application is that the hardware is often quickly made obselete by changes in the software. Or the software is not changed so it retains compatibility with the hardware.
Personally I think Cakewalk should consider developing an iPad/tablet app for remote control of Sonar along the lines of the iPad app for remote control of Logic Pro.
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Re: Gibson and Sonar
2015/05/04 09:30:27
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tlw
The problem with hardware dedicated to a particular software application is that the hardware is often quickly made obselete by changes in the software. Or the software is not changed so it retains compatibility with the hardware.
Personally I think Cakewalk should consider developing an iPad/tablet app for remote control of Sonar along the lines of the iPad app for remote control of Logic Pro.
What tlw said ^^^^ Having different products married makes for ugly divorces in the future. I would much prefer having different products conform to industry standards for a more organic integration, while still leaving options available to purchasers down the road.
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Re: Gibson and Sonar
2015/05/04 09:44:56
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I think Cakewalk would do best by pursuing touch control as opposed to hardware. Less investment for them, more longevity for users compared to a dedicated control surface.
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Re: Gibson and Sonar
2015/05/04 15:41:51
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I think Cakewalk would do best by pursuing touch control as opposed to hardware. Less investment for them, more longevity for users compared to a dedicated control surface. I made some suggestions about that not too long ago. The link in that thread went to a page of some guy who had designed a pretty incredible mobile interface for use in Sonar but it seems he abandon it as he's not made any updates in a while. I still believe that something official by Cakewalk would work better in the long run.
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Re: Gibson and Sonar
2015/05/04 16:51:30
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☄ Helpfulby RSMCGUITAR 2015/05/05 18:35:43
tlw
Personally I think Cakewalk should consider developing an iPad/tablet app for remote control of Sonar along the lines of the iPad app for remote control of Logic Pro.
Anderton
I think Cakewalk would do best by pursuing touch control as opposed to hardware. Less investment for them, more longevity for users compared to a dedicated control surface.
What the red headed stepchild called Android. No one sees the irony of an ipad app for a Windows product?
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Re: Gibson and Sonar
2015/05/04 17:02:22
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Anderton
I think Cakewalk would do best by pursuing touch control as opposed to hardware. Less investment for them, more longevity for users compared to a dedicated control surface.
Whatever way CW goes with remote control, they need working CS API. Current one is outdated (no matrix, ProChannel part is implemented just as a hack to make VS somehow work, ACT is completely broken in VST3, just to mention major issues). Either iPad, XTouch or anything else except remote desktop is not going to work well till that is done. But there is a silence since long time. Even worse, in the "era" of Komplete Browser they have managed to produce a synth without possibility to change patches from controller. RP does not even react on Program Changes. Let me know in case I have overseen something. For the hardware. If Tascam produce something with X touch sensitive motor faders, Y touch sensitive push encoders (+1 "big" one for jogging), Z buttons and may be some alphanumeric display and send it to me, I can integrate it at least on the level of VS-700. In 2 weeks. For free. And users can customize the result for personal needs. Deal?  I have finished Faderport, close to the end with Alphatrack, unclear where with MCU... But I do not think I will continue with devices I never had (and will never have) in my hands.
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tlw
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Re: Gibson and Sonar
2015/05/04 22:08:18
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Anderton
I think Cakewalk would do best by pursuing touch control as opposed to hardware. Less investment for them, more longevity for users compared to a dedicated control surface.
I agree, but touch control in what format? Touchscreen monitors are dropping in price pretty quickly, but I think there's still a use for a remote touchscreen controller as well. A well integrated controller you can use anywhere within LAN reach of the DAW certainly has its uses whether you're a solo musician recording yourself or a studio engineer.
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Re: Gibson and Sonar
2015/05/04 22:24:15
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What the red headed stepchild called Android.
No one sees the irony of an ipad app for a Windows product? Irony? Hardly, just a matter of picking the most appropriate tool for a particular job. Anyone making a remote touch controller to run on a tablet would be mad to ignore the iPad. Of course, you do have to have the Windows DAW networked to the router via cable because Windows wireless networking/Bluetooth are the kiss of death to low latency. Whereas a Mac with a somewhat lower spec than the PC can handle wifi, Bluetooth and low latency audio without a single hiccup. Until, of course, you run into the frankly strange way Apple handle cpu core usage in Logic while input monitoring. Which is to say Logic handles it very, very badly indeed.
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Re: Gibson and Sonar
2015/05/05 04:00:23
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☄ Helpfulby tlw 2015/05/05 14:45:41
Making the app for all 3 platforms would be the best way to go. It's really not that difficult to port.
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Re: Gibson and Sonar
2015/05/06 18:58:06
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What about a sonar keyboard with more futures like gaming keyboards? Macro and all. Even a touch screen
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Re: Gibson and Sonar
2015/05/07 07:18:31
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JarsveWhat about a sonar keyboard with more futures like gaming keyboards? Macro and all. Even a touch screen I believe there is a company making a keyboard for Sonar and it's absurdly expensive. You can get stickers to put over your keys for a lot cheaper. http://www.amazon.com/dp/...;coliid=I1R5URWH06270Y
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Re: Gibson and Sonar
2015/05/07 08:53:22
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Blue Sky? I would like every possible action in Sonar exposed and Lua inside. The we could map what we want wherever we want it. AHK is also promising and would be equally cool if more of the Sonar guts were exposed. Touch? No thanks. After seeing the smudges on my tablet and the touch screen in my auto, I doubt I'll be going touch screen(s) any time soon. I would have to reach over my MIDI controller to use them -
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Re: Gibson and Sonar
2015/05/07 11:18:19
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Native touch is the longer term answer.
The problem w/ custom hardware (like the 700) is it seems to go out sync as software progresses. Generic hardware never gets everything right. ipads are omnipresent but the screen is small.
A large touchscreen (I've got a 23 inch and the price is dropping) let's you just touch what you see. Now, it ain't the best tactile surface since there is no real feedback (yet), but having a few physical controls under or off to the side of the screen that follow the touch highlighting would be perfect. No need for 8 for 16 channels of expensive hardware - just a single channel strip controler where the screen maps the readback to the physical controllers. One moving fader and a couple of knobs. Touch the EQ panel on screen and the band control gets mapped to the knobs with readouts right beside (or over) the knobs. Touch the next band and the knobs control it. Insert a reverb and different controls get mapped to the knobs and wet mix mapped to the fader.
It is a different paradigm than the old mixing board, but could work. And be a lot cheaper. I'd prefer a vs-700 (constantly updated, of course) and new RND console, but I don't have $50,000 or room for all that at home.
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