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Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
No sure what I've done here. Opened Sonar today but it's can't see my audio drivers. Preferences>Audio>Devices is empty. Neither my onboard soundcard or my Quad capture is showing. The control panel for the quad capture opens fine, and it plays youtube and system sounds, and strangely it's midi is showing in the Midi Devices. Several re-boots and reconnects of the Quad Capture. I tried deleting aud.ini. Checked x3 Producer and it's the same, so I don't think rolling back to Cambridge will help, and Dorchester has been fine. I'm a bit stumped
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Kamikaze
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Re: Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
2015/05/06 01:28:32
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Just disconnected the soundcard with sonar running, and a warning box tells me I disconnected the Audio/Midi device, but then I could see the midi, just not the audio, so it's probably responding to this.
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Re: Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
2015/05/06 02:47:19
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☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2015/05/06 05:14:34
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Re: Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
2015/05/06 03:19:23
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Is Windows Sound Card properties seeing the device? My first hunch is to try reinstalling the AI drivers. Could also try shifting to another mode and back, but not sure if that would help (since SONAR is not even seeing it). Last resort would be backing to a restore point, but I would try simply re-installing the drivers for it first.
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Kamikaze
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Re: Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
2015/05/06 03:53:03
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"Is Windows Sound Card properties seeing the device?" I thought the windows soundcard was the device, well one of them? By reinstalling the AI drivers, do you mean the Quads, or onboard soundcard, being they are both missing in sonar but working fine out of it. Restore point isn't an option at the moment, as it would take weeks to re-install everything since that point. The internet where I am now is truly shafted. Edit: Fixed Reinstalled Quad drivers, when that didn't work I deleted the Aud.ini again, but this time all of them, not just SPlat's. Internal soundcard is still missing though, maybe it was previously and I hadn't paid attention to it.
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Re: Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
2015/05/06 05:10:10
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Hi Kamikaze, I use the Q-C also, and I have never seen my laptop's internal sound card appear in Preferences > Audio > Devices. And to be honest, even if it did appear there I would never use it. Thanks for posting the picture of the driver settings... Made me realise that I hadn't updated my Q-C to the latest driver version or bios system settings...
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Re: Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
2015/05/06 05:44:48
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synkrotron Hi Kamikaze, I use the Q-C also, and I have never seen my laptop's internal sound card appear in Preferences > Audio > Devices. And to be honest, even if it did appear there I would never use it.
I think because I never used it either I never noticed. I'm sure it used to show in other laptops before. This is still a new laptop so I am less familiar with it. Pretty happy with the Quad, after M-Audio FW 1814 did my head in for years, just wish the headphone and the main out were seperate levels, otherwise serves me well
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Re: Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
2015/05/06 09:58:30
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Kamikaze Pretty happy with the Quad, after M-Audio FW 1814 did my head in for years, just wish the headphone and the main out were seperate levels, otherwise serves me well
I'm reasonably happy too, at least now I found a workaround for a major problem when using the front panel inputs for DI'ing my guitars... I don't know if it's just my unit, but I was getting an awful feedback loop set up for some reason, when using any of the distortion type effects in either Guitar Rig 5 or TH2. I happened to have an old Roland MMP-2 mic preamp, which comes with a SPDIF digital output. I connect that to the Q-C's SPDIF input and all is good now. As I said, I could never find out if it was just a problem with my unit. And I wasn't going to buy another sound device when the Q-C worked well for most of my requirements.
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Re: Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
2015/05/06 11:00:56
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I use the Markbass more than TH2, but I'm more for soft distortions if anything. I've not had any feedback issues. I can't think of any suggestions.
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Re: Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
2015/05/06 11:19:01
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Re: Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
2015/05/06 12:35:11
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Kamikaze Internal soundcard is still missing though, maybe it was previously and I hadn't paid attention to it.
You generally won't see on-board sound I/O unless you have SONAR set to use WDM driver mode or have ASIO4All (WDM driver wrapper) installed. Presumably, you are now using ASIO driver mode, and ASIO4ALL is not installed, so you are only seeing the Roland QC's native ASIO drivers which is as it should be. The on-board GS Wavetable synth may still appear as a MIDI Out port, however, which is also as it should be though you won't want to use it due to typically poor latency and sound-quality.
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Re: Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
2015/05/06 12:42:49
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Please help. In sonar producer where can I raise or lower a single note by say 3db. Regards.
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Re: Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
2015/05/06 12:50:02
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You should start a new thread, but... If you're talking about MIDI notes, most synths/patches respond to MIDI note velocity by changing volume, but there is no fixed relationship between velocity and level, and it is not often linear anyway, so you'd have to experiment. If you're talking about a discrete audio transient in a recording, you can add a volume automation envelope to the clip or track to increase the volume only in that region. There are many other ways control volume, depending on the situation and whether it's an audio recording or live synth output. But we shouldn't hijack this thread any further.
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Re: Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
2015/05/06 13:08:34
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Cheers Brundle, that makes sense. Yeah on ASIO.
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Re: Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
2015/05/06 13:37:40
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Can someone please help me. How to increase or decrease a single note by say: 3db. thanks
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Re: Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
2015/05/06 14:33:45
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naivetomusic Can someone please help me. How to increase or decrease a single note by say: 3db. thanks
As has been suggested, it would be better if you created a separate post. Peeps will see it as a separate issue then...
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Re: Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
2015/05/06 15:31:44
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Re: Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
2015/05/07 00:02:51
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Ok happened again, so removed 'fixed'. This time a re-boot restored them to. I was double checking that a problem with Pitch Bend wheel in Rapure Pro was happening in Stand alone, but it wouldn't let me open the Asio Control Panel in Rapture, but lists and ticks the Quad. The outputs were greyed out. Then Rapture crashed. When I opened Sonar again, it couldn't see the and audio devices. So I had not had this problem until yesterday, and Rapture is the only change, and I had used the stand alone last thing the night before. Just tried opening Raptire in stand alone, and again, even though I close rapture, I get no Audio devices again. closing a re-opening Sonar doesn't this time worked, no re-boot required. Attempting to open Rapture stand alone with Sonar running (just to test, I woouldn't use this way). Again, I can't open the ASIO control panel, and Outputs are grey out. Close Rapture, and SOnar is stoll connected to Audio. I guess Stand alone Rapture is dead for me at the moment.
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Re: Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
2015/05/07 00:13:18
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Kamikaze Cheers Brundle, that makes sense. Yeah on ASIO.
Just to expand, Windows can't use ASIO drivers. One thing that causes lots of problems is using your sound card for Windows sounds which are all 16 bit 44.1khz. Doing this is a major reason for sample rate settings getting confused in Sonar if you're trying to use 24 bit 48khz. Some advocate turning your onboard sound off altogether while I and some others advocate leaving it turned on, running through a little set of PC speakers and routing any windows audio through them. Acts like a decoy. Please disregard if you already know all this and I've prattled on for no reason.
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Re: Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
2015/05/07 00:20:02
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Ah, yeah, if anything crashes the Q-C at all then a reboot is the only option. If Sonar ever crashes, it's a full reboot or else it does not recognise the Q-C, because it also has crashed. In fact, it makes me wonder if it is the Q-C that has crashed Sonar... And I can verify that, if you already have software running that uses Q-C in ASIO mode, you cannot open other software that also uses it. For instance, I use Sonar, but also use Sound Forge, both utilise the Q-C. But if I have Sonar open, I have to close it down before it lets me open Sound Forge. I could run Sound Forge using the internal sound card but I do not see the point of that. I have never questioned this behaviour, so I don't know for sure whether or not it is something specific to the Q-C or if it is common with all ASIO devices...
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Re: Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
2015/05/07 00:28:01
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Thanks Mudgel. On previous machines I had disabled Windows sounds. After reading that many said system tweaks in Windows 8 weren't so necessary, I didn't bother touching the sounds this time. Being I am now having problems, I just disabled the sounds and the onboard card, I never use it. Opened rapture stand alone, no Output menu, Asio Control panel won't launch, Sonar looses sight of the drivers again. Reconnect the Quad and Sonar picks them up again. So far the windows sounds haven't caused a problem, but they can stay off just in case. Especially from the quads point of view and a loud ping in the cans is never wanted.
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Re: Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
2015/05/07 00:30:49
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At the moment Synkatron, I can't even use the quad with Rapture stand-alone with Sonar closed. Not tooo bothered though, but at least I seem to have found what caused the issue yesterday.
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Re: Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
2015/05/07 00:30:50
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At the moment Synkatron, I can't even use the quad with Rapture stand-alone with Sonar closed. Not too bothered though, but at least I seem to have found what caused the issue yesterday.
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Re: Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
2015/05/07 03:12:47
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mudgel Just to expand, Windows can't use ASIO drivers.
Hi mudgel, True enough, although I am currently using my QUAD-CAPTURE to play Windows audio. By Windows audio I mean Media Player and anything that may play audio within Chrome (youtube, SoundCloud etc.). So. at the moment, I am not using my "on-board" audio at all. Regarding Windows system sounds, yeah, I always have those turned off.
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Re: Audio Drivers missing from Sonar
2015/05/07 10:14:58
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I always disable on board audio and use my interface for all audio on my DAW. It seems a crap shoot if they can co exist.
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