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Alice Sweet Alice - Human Debris
Just kicked out another mix today I'm pretty psyched about. This one is a little different because I was finally able to use Analog summing and some of my really great hardware patched in. http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=13117234
Hope you enjoy.
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Re: Alice Sweet Alice - Human Debris
2015/05/06 21:54:02
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The overall sound of your mix seems smaller compared to your M.I.A. song. It seems you have a lot less dynamic range than M.I.A. I was trying to figure out why and think it is the mix. Even playing Human Debris and then A/B ing with M.I.A., the tonal difference is dramatic.
I think you can get more out of Human Debris. I just can't pin point exactly why.
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Re: Alice Sweet Alice - Human Debris
2015/05/06 21:55:01
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Well, MIA was mastered and this one is NOT mastered. It is a first mix. That's my take. Also, this song is a completely different animal than MIA. Totally different objectives here. Thank you for the listen!
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Re: Alice Sweet Alice - Human Debris
2015/05/06 22:29:34
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Sorry, no offense intended.
Just listened to A Letter From Michigan which is in this same genre. That mix was before mastering and again, this new song seems low in level and not nearly as defined as the old one. If I keep my volume at the same level for both songs, there is a huge difference. When I crank up your new one, the instruments don't pop like the older. That is what I am trying to point out technically.
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Re: Alice Sweet Alice - Human Debris
2015/05/07 01:07:54
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No offense taken, I'm just not hearing it. But thank you again for the listen! This new song was mixed down at a lower level for sure than A Letter From Michigan; probably a good 7dB. I won't worry about anything until I hear something from my Mastering engineer. I've listened to this mix on a couple different systems and am definitely on the right track from a balance perspective, and it is doing what I want it to from a composition perspective. Also, important to note here is that the version of A LETTER FROM MICHIGAN, currently posted on the other thread, is actually the finished - MASTERED version. I replaced the mixed versions that were discussed in the thread with the finished copy - so again, what you're hearing there is MASTERED. I believe I allude to that in one of my last posts. Cheers,
post edited by spindlebox - 2015/05/07 10:37:26
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Re: Alice Sweet Alice - Human Debris
2015/05/07 12:42:22
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Regardless of the levels between mastered and unmastered songs, this one rocks. On its own, it sounds balanced, punchy, and well arranged. You seem to have a good ear for your style of music.
Without getting into the mastering debate too deeply, I've always believed that mastering begins when you put that first mic in front of an amp or singer (placement). Each time you adjust the EQ, you're mastering. So, the mix you send to your mastering engineer should be pretty close (except for volume) to the finished product. If wholesale changes in EQ are needed, then the mixing stage needs improvement. I don't think this is the case with you. I hope to hear you in KC someday, and I'll keep my ears open for your concerts.
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Re: Alice Sweet Alice - Human Debris
2015/05/07 16:24:29
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Lynn
Regardless of the levels between mastered and unmastered songs, this one rocks. On its own, it sounds balanced, punchy, and well arranged. You seem to have a good ear for your style of music.
Without getting into the mastering debate too deeply, I've always believed that mastering begins when you put that first mic in front of an amp or singer (placement). Each time you adjust the EQ, you're mastering. So, the mix you send to your mastering engineer should be pretty close (except for volume) to the finished product. If wholesale changes in EQ are needed, then the mixing stage needs improvement. I don't think this is the case with you. I hope to hear you in KC someday, and I'll keep my ears open for your concerts.
I agree with you Lynn. i try to get my mixes EXACTLY how I want them to sound to begin with, and that starts with the recording process. I am working on some eq sculpting of the BG vox and strings to clarify them a bit more. They have good balance, but I just want more definiton. There is a lot going on in this mix, and it requires some careful adjusting. I have also taken some things out that didn't add much, i.e., the guitars in the chorus. Totally out and strings are in the forefront. Makes a nice dynamic between the verses and choruses.
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