jkoseattle
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Simple Session Drummer question
When I have session drummer open and am selecting sounds to put in all the kit pieces, I will go through the Media Browser in Sonar until I find a sound I like (such as "Tight Kit Dry Snare 01.flac"), and then I'll drag that sound from the Media Browser right onto the drum itself in Session Drummer. Pretty slick. What I don't understand is that when I right click on the drum I see a drop down with (in the case of the snare) four sounds associated with four midi notes. 37, 38, 39 and 40 (side stick, snare, hand clap, electric snare). This is good, I can put a side stick on 37 as it indicates, and a full snare on 38, etc. But when I drag the sound to the drum, that single sound replaces all four midi notes. How do I get so that I can audition sounds in the Media Browser, and then apply one of those sounds to only a single midi note, so that I am building the snare with different sounds selected for side stick, snare, etc.?
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Re: Simple Session Drummer question
2015/05/08 10:00:33
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Only one sample is used per pad by the Drag and Drop method of adding sounds to SB3 kit pieces, All notes associated with the pad play the same sample.
Sfz files must be used to assign multiple samples to a kit piece.
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jkoseattle
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Re: Simple Session Drummer question
2015/05/08 10:28:57
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Thanks for the quick reply. I don't understand it at all I guess. In the Media Browser, I'm not seeing any .sfz files, only .flac and .mid files. I go into Session Drummer/Contents/Kits. Is there somewhere else I'm going to find these files?
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Re: Simple Session Drummer question
2015/05/08 10:39:42
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As far as I know sfz files are merely a set of text instructions that points SD to the actual samples so I don't think you can browse to them like you can wavs or other audio. By loading directly within SD3 you'll get the instructions and all the audio files (so when you trigger a pad it detects the right velocity/articulation then plays the correct audio file).
I would like to know more about this myself though. I'm not sure whether those instructions (sfz) are even viewable in the media browser (filtered out) or if they are stored along with the associated waves (like in a folder with the instructions and the audio).
Not a problem for me but I am curious from an acedemic standpoint.
scook is probably already replying with the answers as I type this... lol
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scook
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Re: Simple Session Drummer question
2015/05/08 11:00:33
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To see sfz files in the browser, click the arrow in the Media tab, select views and check "Show All Files and Folders." Another way to load sfz files is right-click on the kit piece and select "Load Instrument..." from the drop down. 
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Re: Simple Session Drummer question
2015/05/08 11:05:16
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Have look via Windows Explorer, you find the SFZ file normally in the same folder as the samples, or in the folder above it. I don't have session drummer installed, but here's a rapture set of SFZ files with a folder containing the samples  Easiet thing is to take an existing SFZ file, copy it and edit it. It's a text files, so put your samples in a folder and put the details in the text file. Looks intimidating at first, but when you look at them you'll see familiar stuff
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Re: Simple Session Drummer question
2015/05/08 11:39:32
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@scook and kami...
Cool. I might try creating my own SFZ and associated sounds just to be a dork. Like make dumb noises in a mic and assign them to specific velocities/notes/artics/etc just to see how it works. Not really useful considering there are plenty of goodies that do this stuff much easier but would be educational... and perhaps fun.
Cheers.
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Keni
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Re: Simple Session Drummer question
2015/05/08 12:33:49
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It's a bit tedious, but not too bad all things considered...
When SD3 was first given to us, I edited one kit to replace its kick drum with another... I've been using this ever since as my goto drum kit... Steven Slate Old Zep Dry kit with the Steven Slate Sizzle kick dry...
Well worth the few minutes it took to do the text editing! ;-)
Keni
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Re: Simple Session Drummer question
2015/05/08 15:59:59
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Keni
It's a bit tedious, but not too bad all things considered...
When SD3 was first given to us, I edited one kit to replace its kick drum with another... I've been using this ever since as my goto drum kit... Steven Slate Old Zep Dry kit with the Steven Slate Sizzle kick dry...
Well worth the few minutes it took to do the text editing! ;-)
Keni
This is the reason I still use SD3 more than I use AD2... the ability to completely customize my kits. I used info I found on the old knowledge base and from some users... I will see if I can find and post the link. Mel
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OldTimerNewComer
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Re: Simple Session Drummer question
2015/05/08 16:10:54
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Sorry, that stuff came from the DevXChange,
which no longer is maintained.
Anyway, I think Paul P has done some pretty extensive work on this...
Maybe shoot him a pm.
Mel
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Keni
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Re: Simple Session Drummer question
2015/05/08 20:44:27
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Hi OldTimer...
I know how you feel...
...but even though I use SD3 most of the time, I must say in defense of AD2 that you can totally customize your kits in AD too. And selecting pieces is way easier than file editing! ;-). The only limitation is that the basic samples must be from those kits/pieces that they provide.
They do have some decent stuff though I must admit that I find it a drag I cannot simply hear a kit/piece without all the additional processing they use to get their kit sounds...
I prefer to simply get well recorded samples of great sounding kits! So what I chose to include in my 3 pkgs. that came with Sonar were not what I expected...
So I do use both... I've even used both together to create a kit. I used AD2 for the entire kit except the kick drum which I ran in SD3....
;-)
Keni
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