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Addictive Drums 2 useful for avant-garde/modern classical tradition/new age?

I am trying to decide whether I want to add the additional clutter of Addictive Drums 2 to my PC. I don't create rock or jazz, styles which the online demos seem to highlight. My stuff is more like avant-garde music using classical type timbres, and some new age-like and electronic compositions. I am interested in electronic, orchestral, gong, and world percussion. Does AD2 implement such sounds in its library? Or, if not, can I import my own samples into its environment?
 
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 useful for avant-garde/modern classical tradition/new age? 2015/05/08 16:15:36 (permalink)
Hi Keith,
AD2 has a good ADpak for electronic/new age stuff (Reel Machines) and the accompanying midi pack compliments it really well. You can also easily tune/tweak the drums to your hearts content while gettin something very good for any genre.  
 
Also the Beat Transformer (part of the AD2 proramme) allows you to customize the beats in so many ways. You can control velocities, add accents randomize timing  & velocity, mute kitpieces, alter the speed to double time, half time 75%, etc.........alter where on the kitpiece is struck, e.g., the bell of a ride cymbal or a host of hi-hat options. Very useful tool IMO.

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Re: Addictive Drums 2 useful for avant-garde/modern classical tradition/new age? 2015/05/08 19:20:18 (permalink)
I don't know what you are using now...but if it's not BFD 3 or Superior Drummer,
then you definitely want AD2 installed.  It is a step above EZ Drummer in that it 
is fully tweakable, and sounds fanastic.  It doesn't have the "Song Creator" but, as
Mesh said, the Beat Transformer works well...

AD2 sounds really good and can get you to the finish line relatively fast.


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Re: Addictive Drums 2 useful for avant-garde/modern classical tradition/new age? 2015/05/08 21:17:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2015/05/08 23:50:36
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AD2 sounds really good and can get you to the finish line relatively fast.




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Re: Addictive Drums 2 useful for avant-garde/modern classical tradition/new age? 2015/05/09 01:45:20 (permalink)
Have you had a look at Applied Accoustics Chromophone, it may interest you for more experimental percussion.
 
Soft tube have a new drum synth Heartbeat if you were looking for an analogue style drum sound.
 
AD2 has as mentioned Reel machines for electronic drums, and Session drums for Latin percussion, along with some African drums add packs that are normally bundled in for you to choose. Nothing really eastern in a World Percussion sense. 
 
 

 
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 useful for avant-garde/modern classical tradition/new age? 2015/05/09 02:32:47 (permalink)
mcdonalk Does AD2 implement such sounds in its library? Or, if not, can I import my own samples into its environment?
 


AD sounds only unfortunatly
 

 
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 useful for avant-garde/modern classical tradition/new age? 2015/05/09 03:28:23 (permalink)
Do you have it already? Why not just install it and find out, you can uninstall it later.


I really like AD2, what stops me using it more is that's it's a huge CPU hog.... Performance should be much better with this app.
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 useful for avant-garde/modern classical tradition/new age? 2015/05/09 07:30:45 (permalink)
If you have sonar X3 (?) and above then you must already have AD2 in some form or other?
 
Given that, "avant-garde" as a genre can be almost anything then it's surely more about how you use it?
 
I wouldn't really recommend any of them (AD2, BFD3 or superior) for avant-garde or electronic music as they are primarily for rock, jazz, funk, punk, folk and everything else in the acoustic drum world but they can still be useful, it's a matter of your imagination and how you use it.
 
As for loading your own samples I'm pretty sure AD2 won't let you, not sure about superior drummer but BFD3 will definitely let you load your own samples. If you were going to spend money on any of the above then I would recommend BFD3 as being the best by some distance.
Also from fxpansion, I would suggest having a look at Tremor for electronic music as well Kamikaze's suggestion of Chromophone.
 
 
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 useful for avant-garde/modern classical tradition/new age? 2015/05/09 11:19:22 (permalink)
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If you were going to spend money on any of the above then I would recommend BFD3 as being the best by some distance.
 
 
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Completely agree,,, 


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Re: Addictive Drums 2 useful for avant-garde/modern classical tradition/new age? 2015/05/09 13:02:21 (permalink)
Thanks, all, for the informed feedback.
 
Currently, I primarily use Linnplug RMV (in which I can use my own samples) and Chromophone for my percussive needs. Some of the replies here reinforce my impression that AD2 is geared primarily to rock & jazz, but some replies (Mesh) indicate otherwise.
 
Although I am OCD about cluttering my PC with plugins and "free" VST's that I don't use, and sinking hours into them, it sounds like I would be well-advised to hook up my DAW to the internet and install AD2.
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 useful for avant-garde/modern classical tradition/new age? 2015/05/09 14:39:16 (permalink)
Worth it IMHO...  another nice thing about AD2 is that it includes a nice selection of FX, so you can really mangle things if you choose. 
 

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Re: Addictive Drums 2 useful for avant-garde/modern classical tradition/new age? 2015/05/10 08:59:24 (permalink)
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Thanks, all, for the informed feedback.
 
Currently, I primarily use Linnplug RMV (in which I can use my own samples) and Chromophone for my percussive needs. Some of the replies here reinforce my impression that AD2 is geared primarily to rock & jazz, but some replies (Mesh) indicate otherwise.
 
Although I am OCD about cluttering my PC with plugins and "free" VST's that I don't use, and sinking hours into them, it sounds like I would be well-advised to hook up my DAW to the internet and install AD2.




 
To say they're geared more for acoustic drum genres like rock, pop and jazz (or whatever) doesn't mean they can't be used in other genres, it just means that's not the manufacturers target market which it undoubtedly is.
 
As I said, sometimes your imagination, not your tools can be your best asset.
 
I got the demo of RMV and it seems quite toy like in terms of sounds although I've only spent a few minutes with it.
 
But anyway, if the reason you hadn't downloaded AD2 is because you're off line then you should do it and then figure out what other free goodies you've missed out on by being off line
 
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 useful for avant-garde/modern classical tradition/new age? 2015/05/10 10:48:03 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby arachnaut 2015/05/10 13:49:18
I thought the whole idea of "avant-garde" was re-purposing conventional sounds in new ways.
 
The Hammond organ was originally meant to be an alternative to pipe organs in churches. Its inventor was reportedly shocked when jazz musicians picked up on it, and was presumably equally dismayed when Emerson started jamming knives into the keys.
 
Anything that makes sound will eventually be redefined. The only difference between "avant-garde" and "mainstream" is whether you're the first to think of it or the 10000th. I suspect there are still a great many as yet undiscovered things you can do with a standard drum kit.
 


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Re: Addictive Drums 2 useful for avant-garde/modern classical tradition/new age? 2015/05/10 12:00:06 (permalink)
Using midi loops to play AAS Chromophone has to be a microwave fast route to some new yet percussive sounds. I have used something like that for a different percussion take. Then you can put the drums in using the same midi loops and pull them up until until you like the blend. Put some reverb on the drums but not the synth sound or the other way around. Good drums like Addictive Drums and layers with some synths and FX added could be a very deep well for that type of stuff.

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Re: Addictive Drums 2 useful for avant-garde/modern classical tradition/new age? 2015/05/11 08:42:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby BassDaddy 2015/05/11 10:01:45
En guard!!
Check out Sonic Charge's uTonic ($99): https://soniccharge.com/microtonic
 
 

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Re: Addictive Drums 2 useful for avant-garde/modern classical tradition/new age? 2015/05/12 00:42:47 (permalink)
I quite like using Maschine for this sort of thing. Everybody things it's just a DJ or hip hop tool... They could not be more wrong it's just a pattern synth like any other. You can get some really great loops pretty quickly although it has a steep learning curve to begin with. And of course great samples...

I also use it to trigger addictive drums.
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 useful for avant-garde/modern classical tradition/new age? 2015/05/12 08:36:38 (permalink)
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I quite like using Maschine for this sort of thing. Everybody things it's just a DJ or hip hop tool... They could not be more wrong it's just a pattern synth like any other. You can get some really great loops pretty quickly although it has a steep learning curve to begin with. And of course great samples...

I also use it to trigger addictive drums.

Herr Doktor,
Would you be kind enough to post a detailed step by step instructions necessary in routing/triggering AD?
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 useful for avant-garde/modern classical tradition/new age? 2015/05/13 00:47:35 (permalink)
Leading AD2 is on my list of things to do.  BassDaddy accurately remote viewed my methodology for using Chromophone.
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 useful for avant-garde/modern classical tradition/new age? 2015/05/13 08:53:51 (permalink)
McDonalk, another consideration might be (if you like to use midi and audio loops) to check out TANTRA.
You can get some really cool drum and musical sounds on practically any track you throw it on.....just adds life to any sound source.....still going for $49.  

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Re: Addictive Drums 2 useful for avant-garde/modern classical tradition/new age? 2015/05/13 23:22:14 (permalink)
If you have the AD that comes with Sonar and haven't chosen kits yet, I think these might fit your needs
1. Session Percussion.  You said you were interested in new age music with world percussion.  It's got your Latin and African covered.
2. Reel Drums.  Vintage drum machines recorded to tape.
3. Vintage Dry.  
 
If you are looking for electronic sounds, you can take any kit and twist it fairly easy.  Between pitch envelopes, compression, tape simulation, multiple types of distortion and transient shaping, it won't take much to make it sound like something completely different.
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