Aksuaho
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Real Delay with all Softsynths in Sonar Platinum (Jamaica Plains only)
Is no one else realizing, that there is no mixing buffer compensation on all Softsynths? I tried with different Audio Interfaces (UA25, Mbox2, Avid HDX) and different drivers like Asio and WDM. The higher the Buffer is (like 512 Samples) the more the first Note gets swallod. Everyone using Sonar Platinum Jamaica Plains could reproduce this issue. Put the now Time on a Midi Note going to a SoftSynth and if you hit play it`s not played or comes too late. There is already a thread about a delay issue with Softsynths, but I don`t think it's been realized, what the real problem ist. If I want to listen to Part, I always have to put the now time bevor the 1 to here the 1... thats annoying.
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Re: Real Delay with all Softsynths in Sonar Platinum (Jamaica Plains only)
November 12, 15 3:27 PM
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Nothing like that here, or you should provide exact steps to reproduce.
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Re: Real Delay with all Softsynths in Sonar Platinum (Jamaica Plains only)
November 13, 15 3:48 AM
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I have this problem on both computers I use. Just open a new project, insert e.g. Dimension Pro, choose any preset e.g. a drum preset, put some kicks on the quarter beats, put the now/play marker on the first note and hit play: the first kick is missing or is played not from the beginning. The effect becomes more noticable the higher the playback buffer is. With 96 Samples its ok, with 512 Samples nearly the whole first note is missing. It is with every VST Softsynth I use (Omnisphere, Superior, Kontakt...) I put a simple Dimension Pro cwp here ( http://www.crises.de/temp/Delaytest.cwp), but it depends on the buffer size you adjust in preferences/driver settings. If it is low, the effect is small. The higher, the worse it gets. Edit: if you set your driver to WDM and increase the buffer size to 4096 it really becomes horrible ;)
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Re: Real Delay with all Softsynths in Sonar Platinum (Jamaica Plains only)
November 13, 15 7:51 AM
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Yes, now I can confirm it. It eats attack, so it is more noticeable on drums. And it is new bug, it works well with earlier version. You are right.
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Re: Real Delay with all Softsynths in Sonar Platinum (Jamaica Plains only)
November 13, 15 11:06 AM
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☼ Best Answerby Aksuaho November 13, 15 12:22 AM
This issue has been addressed for the next update...
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Aksuaho
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Re: Real Delay with all Softsynths in Sonar Platinum (Jamaica Plains only)
November 13, 15 12:31 AM
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Nice to hear, I think its just a small piece of code which got lost. When I hit "play" with a high buffer size the DAW should wait the mixing latency, but right now in JP its playing immediately.
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Re: Real Delay with all Softsynths in Sonar Platinum (Jamaica Plains only)
November 13, 15 1:41 PM
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Just to clarify this was with ASIO right? in WDM there was no issue.
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Re: Real Delay with all Softsynths in Sonar Platinum (Jamaica Plains only)
November 13, 15 2:23 PM
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Actually this issue is only depending on the buffer size, tried with ASIO, WDM, Wasabi, MME, different Interfaces UA25EX, Mbox2 and different computers (Win7 64), everytime the same problem.
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Re: Real Delay with all Softsynths in Sonar Platinum (Jamaica Plains only)
December 03, 15 6:54 AM
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It is not fixed in Kingston.
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Re: Real Delay with all Softsynths in Sonar Platinum (Jamaica Plains only)
December 03, 15 5:32 PM
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I was able to repro this when it was originally reported against Jamaica Plain, but cannot repro in Kingston. What steps/synths are you using?
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Re: Real Delay with all Softsynths in Sonar Platinum (Jamaica Plains only)
December 03, 15 10:31 PM
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Same as in post #3. DimPro Dry Kit 01, AD2, doesn't matter. 1024, 2048 buffer. Short drum hits sound different if play starts from note beginning exactly, or if starts some time earlier.
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Re: Real Delay with all Softsynths in Sonar Platinum (Jamaica Plains only)
December 07, 15 7:14 AM
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I've checked with different Interfaces up to a buffer size of 4k+ and different Softsynthies (Dimension, Kontakt, Omnisphere) and I couldn't reproduce the problem in Kingston any more... For me it has been fixed, but I'm not sure if it is due the update or something other.
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Re: Real Delay with all Softsynths in Sonar Platinum (Jamaica Plains only)
December 07, 15 8:45 AM
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Sorry, again my fault. It was Fade On Start option set to 3 ms, cause I had problems with pops. But it is very strange that with this option it sounds very different with different buffer, with 128 samples it is not noticeable, but with 2048 it is very obvious. It seems that this problem is still here of Fade On Start is not 0. Because eaten time on start should depend on fade time only, and not on buffer size.
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Re: Real Delay with all Softsynths in Sonar Platinum (Jamaica Plains only)
December 07, 15 1:29 PM
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FWIW, I can't repro that, either. A 3ms Fade on Start sounds the same at 2048 samples as it does at 64. But that 3ms fade does have a noticeable effect on a drum hits and other percussive sounds. I stopped using Fade on Start some time ago precisely because it was making me think there was some sort of playback problem.
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Re: Real Delay with all Softsynths in Sonar Platinum (Jamaica Plains only)
December 07, 15 2:25 PM
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I never use that either, and for the same reasons. My rig is in pieces for the next several hours, as I am moving a bunch of hard drives back and forth from one computer to another, but I will play around with this when I am back up and running, to see if I have the issue. Bob Bone
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