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ProChannel Breverb
Nobody ever talks about this. Does anybody use it?
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/15 21:15:15
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Never really liked the sound of it. Never have a use for such a heavy handed reverb sound. It has too many controls for my liking, and the presets always need a lot of tweaking to get it sounding right in a mix. I have other reverbs that do it better. With Sonar Platinum recently adding the ReMatrix convolution PC module, Breverb will probably never get used again on my system. I knew the first time I used ReMatrix, that it sounded so much better.
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/15 21:17:07
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Just remember convolution reverbs are CPU heavy. It might not be the greatest thing to use when playing live or recording.
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/15 21:27:11
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Good advice from the Doktor
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/15 21:52:14
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I use the full version of Breverb on backing tracks for live performance. It does have many controls, but that is it's strength. With some tweaking it can sound great.
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/15 21:56:53
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I actually really like it. I have mostly switched to ValhallaVintageVerb but BReverb can sound great on some tracks. I've used it on lead vocal with great effect, and on synth tracks. EDIT: FWIW, Rematrix is an impulse based reverb, which makes it completely different in sound. Also, impulse based reverbs tend to have relatively high latency so if you need to use a reverb during tracking it's actually better to use an algorithmic one like BReverb.
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Anderton
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/15 23:06:19
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I use it because it has enough controls that I can tailor the sound as needed to suit the material (e.g., high diffusion on percussion, low diffusion on sustained sounds).
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/15 23:22:52
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It is heavy-handed, but once you twist it in a little it can sound great. I can't think of any one type of thing I use it for more than others... I just go by my ear-bone.
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/15 23:37:46
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Have never really loved Breverb. I really wanted to but, just not happening. I mean, it's OK just not great. Too intrusive sounding for my taste.
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/16 04:14:57
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I've got some great results with Breverb after a little tweaking.
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/16 04:29:59
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I found a few settings that work well for me and I've saved them using the ProChannel presets... They are fairly smooth sounding, but tend to place their focus on lower frequency ranges... If you're used to the bright reverbs such as the Lexicons you will find them very different as they take up more space in a mix...
I find the convolution reverbs a bit too "unusual" sounding for my regular use and tend to use them more for special effect type situation...
All these reverbs sound good these days if you use them wisely...
I still use the Lexicon we originally got with earlier Sonar... It's very handy for a bright sheen...
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/16 05:55:05
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I bought the full version of Breverb. The added functions aid the tweakability, and I do find it quick and easy to dial in something useable, which is mostly the way I use it (i.e. pick a preset and tweak to get it just right). I think this is it's strength. I do, however, like ReMatrix a lot, and find convolution reverbs in general much more to my taste. My only frustration with ReMatrix is, if the Pro Channel is being used pre FX bin, ReMatrix can't be the last plug in in the chain. This means that if I want that function, I'm going to have to find the cash for the full version. I'm very short on cash at this point in time and will have to wait for some time before I can convince treasury that this is a worthwhile upgrade. (sigh). I would much rather have the light version of Breverb and the full version of ReMatrix, but this, as they say, is the way the cookie crumbles.
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/16 06:35:07
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There's a Bass Room patch I use all the time on my bass tracks. Mixed in at a very low level it makes my Scarbee bass sound come alive and sit in the mix.
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/16 10:03:33
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I use ReMatrix and Breverb about 80% of the time. As other posters have said, how it sounds with the material is the important thing. Breverb does have a lot of controls, but that is what I like. I can fine tune it for what I need. I have the lite versions as I am also short on cash until the bank, in this case my wife, says OK to buy the full versions.
post edited by FCCfirstclass - 2015/05/16 10:10:26
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/16 10:57:29
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My experience with almost all presets for algorithm-based reverbs is that they can only be points of departure for further tweaking. I like the TSAR-1 reverb a lot for its diaphanous type of sound, it works great for some material. The Breverb can have a "meatier" sound. Convolution is to algorithm reverb as sampling is to synthesis, so it's great if realism is paramount. My initial impressions of Breverb weren't all that positive, but over time I've learned how to make it sing.
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/16 11:05:57
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I like it. I've got a drum room reverb preset I made for it that I use a lot on real drums (tweaked a bit case-by-case, of course).
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/16 11:12:30
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I like all these reverbs and am really not that picky. I guess a downfall sometimes. I do miss my Pantheon and need to dig out Sonar 6 or whatever I have, that it is on and install it someday. I liked that for fast and quick and in the end seemed to work. My only complaint about Breverb is the red print on the dark background would be nice if it contrasted a bit more, but it hasn't been a problem enough not to use it. I actually like a lot of controls. But as I've said, I like reverb enough that things are wet enough I can wash my clothes in it. As a tangent, it seems the reverb in Omnisphere is spectacular, I guess because about all patches use it! What do people think about that verb?
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/16 11:29:05
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Well, I absolutely loved my old Lexicon LXP-1 and LXP-5 hardware units, which have sadly both died. I still really like the Lexicon Pantheon. So, I guess I tend to judge all reverbs by what my brain perceives as the Lexicon sound.
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/17 09:56:19
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Anderton My experience with almost all presets for algorithm-based reverbs is that they can only be points of departure for further tweaking. I like the TSAR-1 reverb a lot for its diaphanous type of sound, it works great for some material. The Breverb can have a "meatier" sound. Convolution is to algorithm reverb as sampling is to synthesis, so it's great if realism is paramount. My initial impressions of Breverb weren't all that positive, but over time I've learned how to make it sing.
Diaphanous? Wow! I had to break out the dictionary for that one!
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/17 11:38:52
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mixmkr I like all these reverbs and am really not that picky. I guess a downfall sometimes.
Or something that allows you to finish projects
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/17 11:58:35
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I'm not one to use a lot of reverb in general so when I do use it I'll go with what sounds best for that particular tune. I find there are many good settings in Breverb but I always have to bring down the wet mix and do a little tweaking to get a smooth verb. The ReMatrix has some good settings also but as I said I will use what meets the requirements of the song. Use your ears and when applying any effect and remember nothing says amateur more than a load of reverb. Blackie
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/17 13:48:23
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I record a lot of young, indie type bands and, there seems to be a resurgence of big, thick, drippy reverb starting to happen. For me it has gone from, "We don't want ANY reverb" to , "More reverb, lot's of it"!
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/17 15:05:49
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The Lexicon is my "go to" reverb with Sonitus a close 2nd. I'm still working with Breverb to make it sound right for my purposes, but I feel it will happen sooner or later. I'm just putting it down to user idiosyncrasies for now. Actually, the ReMatrix is magic to me and I find myself using it in all my mixes. Sill in limbo about the preset issues, however.
post edited by fantini - 2015/05/17 18:00:39
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/17 15:52:50
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A Lexicon LXP-1 and Alesis Quadarverb (I KNOW - yikes!) are my outboards that I still fondly use... But like many others, I have issues with the Breverb. Seems like a there is a lot of tinkering to get it right. On the other hand, I KNOW i have spent countless hours on the Qverb setting to get it to be one of my favs. FWIW, I have learned thru the years that if one takes the time to learn everything about the devices (boards, modules, software, hardware, etc.) that they have, they come to have an appreciation for them Well, okay, most of them
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/17 19:05:47
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oh man...this thread got me to get off my butt and re-install Lexicon Pantheon...and I'm soooo glad I took the 5 minutes! ha! Threw in VC-64 while I was at it. Just littered my computer with 32 bit stuff!! Now my Sonar 7 can go back in the closet.
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/18 22:29:59
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I always did like Pantheon, even when it wasn't in style.  One suggestion for those delving into it - try the surround version instead of the default stereo version. There's a slight difference in the way audio is processed that IMO always sounded a bit better, even when processing a stereo track. That said, now I'm going to have to install too! Though at the moment I'm finding that ReMatrix is really hitting the spot for me. Eh, may as well have more choices... right?
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/19 02:46:42
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Breverb 2 full version has become my "go-to" reverb plug, so I don't ever use the PC version... I've still got my Alesis Quadraverb. I should sell it as it never gets used
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Re: ProChannel Breverb
2015/05/19 08:23:43
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I use the reverbs that are stock in Platinum. They work for me. Breverb 2 on vocals. I find a Hall or Room preset and adjust from there. I don't care for the PC Module. I keep the manual nearby. BT BlueVerb for instrument tracks. The EMT Plate is the usual starting point. I use the Sonitus Reverb sometimes too. I understand its controls. I'm not very familiar with Perfect Space or ReMatrix Solo yet....
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