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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 01:50:55 (permalink)
Sounds like it could be Audio Snap 3 with a new name.

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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 01:56:18 (permalink)
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It will allow you to drag selections right from the Clips Pane. Also any .wav from Windows Explorer or the SONAR Browser.


Is there going to be a way to integrate a 3rd party drum instrument?
I've invested thousands of dollars in Superior Drummer and it's content.
I don't want to spend yet more money on drum packs from yet another vendor.


You can freeze a track playing the samples you want from your instrument of choice. Then select and drag them in.

Alternatively, you can drag an ARA clip to an instrument track and trigger the instrument with the resulting MIDI clip.
post edited by Bill Jackson [Cakewalk] - 2015/05/22 02:04:38

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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 01:58:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby donatus 2015/06/08 23:00:18
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Part of Sonar? Or $199 add-on?


It will be included as part of the Platinum membership.

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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 02:09:20 (permalink)
Are the samples included? I believe this is the first time I've seen Cakewalk release anything specific to Metal.

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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 02:11:20 (permalink)
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Sounds like it could be Audio Snap 3 with a new name.

Seems to run via ARA, so looks like a different kettle of fish

 
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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 02:14:28 (permalink)
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I've seen Cakewalk release anything specific to Metal.



I don't think this is anything 'specific to Metal'
I don't think any samples will be included
 
of course I could be wrong :|
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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 02:35:23 (permalink)
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Are the samples included? I believe this is the first time I've seen Cakewalk release anything specific to Metal.


We'll be including multisampled kicks, snares and toms from the kits referenced at the bottom of the page.

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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 03:08:07 (permalink)
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It will allow you to drag selections right from the Clips Pane. Also any .wav from Windows Explorer or the SONAR Browser.


Is there going to be a way to integrate a 3rd party drum instrument?
I've invested thousands of dollars in Superior Drummer and it's content.
I don't want to spend yet more money on drum packs from yet another vendor.


You can freeze a track playing the samples you want from your instrument of choice. Then select and drag them in.

Alternatively, you can drag an ARA clip to an instrument track and trigger the instrument with the resulting MIDI clip.


I don't know why I didn't get it the first time you explained it. Thanks for your patience in explaining it again and for getting back so promptly Bill.
post edited by mudgel - 2015/05/22 03:15:24

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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 03:54:44 (permalink)
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I've seen Cakewalk release anything specific to Metal.



I don't think this is anything 'specific to Metal'
I don't think any samples will be included
 
of course I could be wrong :|




I was talking about the "Metahead" samples mentioned on the page. Looks like only pieces of each kit will be included though.

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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 05:38:14 (permalink)
It's a relatively useful tool, if you're recording live drummers.

 
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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 08:01:44 (permalink)
As for the work flow I have been looking forward to this.
 
I dont have a drum set but I do have several things including a djembe blocks etc and have been thinking about getting a cajhon(sp).
 
What I am hoping is that I can bang out a beat with the feel I want and convert it to either the waves or to midi to use as input to Jamstix or Session Drummer etc. Then I could layer the various percussion instruments.
 
I'm hoping this will fit in the drum replacer workflow.
 

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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 08:54:42 (permalink)
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As for the work flow I have been looking forward to this.
 
I dont have a drum set but I do have several things including a djembe blocks etc and have been thinking about getting a cajhon(sp).
 
What I am hoping is that I can bang out a beat with the feel I want and convert it to either the waves or to midi to use as input to Jamstix or Session Drummer etc. Then I could layer the various percussion instruments.
 
I'm hoping this will fit in the drum replacer workflow.
 




Couldn't you do this already with ARA integration of Melodyne?  Drag the audio clip to a MIDI track, and it will convert to MIDI?
 
Sorry if I misunderstand the issue..

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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 09:06:52 (permalink)
I was reading a comparison of Drumagog and Trigger 2? (I think it was called Trigger 2). Either  or both of them said it could use drums from any drum program like EDrummer SD2 ADD2 and others to replace drums in a recorded drum track where there is too much bleed or other problems.
I hope it will be simple, easy to use, and able to use any drum sample available. I imagine it will be.
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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 09:19:13 (permalink)
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As for the work flow I have been looking forward to this.
 
I dont have a drum set but I do have several things including a djembe blocks etc and have been thinking about getting a cajhon(sp).
 
What I am hoping is that I can bang out a beat with the feel I want and convert it to either the waves or to midi to use as input to Jamstix or Session Drummer etc. Then I could layer the various percussion instruments.
 
I'm hoping this will fit in the drum replacer workflow.
 





Couldn't you do this already with ARA integration of Melodyne?  Drag the audio clip to a MIDI track, and it will convert to MIDI?
 
Sorry if I misunderstand the issue..

This is a drum replacer.
In Melodyne if you're working with the audio of a drum track you can only edit the sample that's been played. This drum replacer will let you replace one drum sample with another. That's just that particular feature. It sounds a bit like Audio Snap on steroids.

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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 09:30:35 (permalink)
@ Mudgel its not really an issue as I have not tried to do it yet.
 
I believe you are right that with a bit of fiddling I could probably get the midi I would need to feed Jamstix.

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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 09:37:17 (permalink)
What's next? BazzReplazer?
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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 11:01:05 (permalink)
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Tom Riggs
As for the work flow I have been looking forward to this.
 
I dont have a drum set but I do have several things including a djembe blocks etc and have been thinking about getting a cajhon(sp).
 
What I am hoping is that I can bang out a beat with the feel I want and convert it to either the waves or to midi to use as input to Jamstix or Session Drummer etc. Then I could layer the various percussion instruments.
 
I'm hoping this will fit in the drum replacer workflow.
 





Couldn't you do this already with ARA integration of Melodyne?  Drag the audio clip to a MIDI track, and it will convert to MIDI?
 
Sorry if I misunderstand the issue..

This is a drum replacer.
In Melodyne if you're working with the audio of a drum track you can only edit the sample that's been played. This drum replacer will let you replace one drum sample with another. That's just that particular feature. It sounds a bit like Audio Snap on steroids.



I Know what a drum replacer is..
 
Please read Tom's post, then my answer might make sense to you.
 
If Tom played a beat on his djembe, he could drag the clip to an audio track, it would be converted to MIDI, and he could use it to trigger Session Drummer, etc.
 
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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 11:03:19 (permalink)
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@ Mudgel its not really an issue as I have not tried to do it yet.
 
I believe you are right that with a bit of fiddling I could probably get the midi I would need to feed Jamstix.


Sorry Tom, I was replying to jb101. Got you caught in the middle because I grabbed the quote from your quote instead of direct from his post.

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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 11:33:16 (permalink)
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What's next? BazzReplazer?


 
I thought that's what The Bapu was for.
 
hmm... I better read the manual again.
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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 13:40:47 (permalink)
Only question I have is why? Plenty of tools already.
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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 14:11:53 (permalink)
Then don't use it, or am I not understanding you?
 
I am very excited and for its potential uses, hopes it pannes out as I have it brain poo'd.
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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 15:09:52 (permalink)
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Only question I have is why? Plenty of tools already.




It seems to be a massive workflow speed up tool and perhaps more precise/dedicated/easier to use than Audiosnap or manually slicing and dicing.
 
Really there AREN'T that many tools. There are two tools (Audiosnap and ARA) and manual techniques but they are mostly confusing, cumbersome and time consuming. I'd have to see it in action but if I'm interpreting this correctly it will be an improvement.
 
Example... I've got a live drum track. Drummer flubbed a snare hit. I snag a hit from somewhere else in the track and slide it in replacing the flub. Of course I could do that using copy/pasta but then I gotta fiddle with it manually.
 
Creative possibility... I like my drum track but I want to twist it into an electronic mess for a few bars using samples (like an 808). I select the area and slide in the samples. Done. Otherwise I'd have to do a bunch of other bullpuckery to make that happen.
 
This has all been rather vague though. Waiting for a vid to show what it ACTUALLY does.
 
Edit: Just looking over that info again and really is difficult to figure out exactly what the heck this thing does or how it works. Seriously hope some more info is on the way soon. Ya'll just teasin' with that page!
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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 15:34:09 (permalink)
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 Of course I could do that using copy/pasta but then I gotta fiddle with it manually.
 

 
Mmm....copy pasta....add some tomato, artichoke hearts, and garlic. Tasty. You do hafta fiddle with it manually though.
 

 
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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 15:51:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Razorwit 2015/05/22 15:57:20
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 Of course I could do that using copy/pasta but then I gotta fiddle with it manually.
 

 
Mmm....copy pasta....add some tomato, artichoke hearts, and garlic. Tasty. You do hafta fiddle with it manually though.
 

 
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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 15:58:40 (permalink)
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I was reading a comparison of Drumagog and Trigger 2? (I think it was called Trigger 2). Either  or both of them said it could use drums from any drum program like EDrummer SD2 ADD2 and others to replace drums in a recorded drum track where there is too much bleed or other problems.
I hope it will be simple, easy to use, and able to use any drum sample available. I imagine it will be.
Workflow, it matters.
 
J




I have never used Drumagog but Trigger and Tigger 2 can only use Slate Samples. You can export midi to trigger (pun intended) other programs. Bleed has never been a problem and it's pretty intuitive. I am looking forward to Cake's release.
 
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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 16:32:15 (permalink)
This sounds fantastic. About 1,400 years ago, we replaced drum tracks with trigger inputs on the back of a Linn Drummer Computer (LM-1) and later a Linn Drum.  This new product is something that could really save a record (or an engineer).  Thanks!

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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 22:18:13 (permalink)
In the late 1990's or early 2000s I was recording live drummers, and I ran into a program called Drumagog. It was a drum replacer, one of the first.
 
Drumagog was a lifesaver. The designer made it so that even if an exactly equal drum was sensed, the program would rotate various samples with minute differences. The program had internal samples instead of sending a MIDI output. (Although it might have also had MIDI, I don't remember). The results were a very real sounding drumset.
 
For instance, I recorded a drummer who was so proud of his DW drumset, but actually it sounded hollow. So I "Drumagoged" the bass and snare with a replacement DW kit from the Drumagog library. Wow this worked great. And my drummer thought his DW drums sounded fantastic. He never knew I replaced his miced up drums.
 
Drumagog was a new program back then, and it was a one person developer. So it was a little buggy, but the developer was really anxious to resolve issues.
 
I don't record acoustic drums anymore, but if I did, drum replacement would be my game.
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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/22 23:18:15 (permalink)
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jbow
I was reading a comparison of Drumagog and Trigger 2? (I think it was called Trigger 2). Either  or both of them said it could use drums from any drum program like EDrummer SD2 ADD2 and others to replace drums in a recorded drum track where there is too much bleed or other problems.
I hope it will be simple, easy to use, and able to use any drum sample available. I imagine it will be.
Workflow, it matters.
 
J




I have never used Drumagog but Trigger and Tigger 2 can only use Slate Samples. You can export midi to trigger (pun intended) other programs. Bleed has never been a problem and it's pretty intuitive. I am looking forward to Cake's release.
 
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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/23 08:13:11 (permalink)
I wonder if it would be feasible to record a kit with some overheads and supplement the bottom of the kit through this process with good results.

 
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Re: Coming soon: Cakewalk Drum Replacer 2015/05/23 12:07:24 (permalink)
My question too, will this be an upgrade in Sonar Platinum as a free download, or will this cost the Sonar Platinum users some $$.
 
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