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workflow trick: quick way to export a click track honoring tempo changes
Maybe it's that simple and it's just me not seeing it ... What's the quickest way to export a click track? Even though I have a metronome bus, I cannot select it in the export list for buses. I do need this for a projects where guitar tracks are recorded externally (using a different DAW which must not be named) but the songs have gradual tempo variations that cannot easily be reconstructed in that other DAW. BTW, can you somehow export tempo list and marker lists? EDIT: so far I have use Sonar's standard settings for "Use Audio Metronome"
post edited by FreeFlyBertl - 2015/05/28 02:22:43
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Re: workflow question: quick way to export a click track?
2015/05/27 08:06:50
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The only way that I know of to record the metronome is to loop back through your interface or use an outboard recorder i.e. an Alesis HD24. Alternatively you can make a groove clip out of sample(s) and drag them out for as many measures as you need.
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Re: workflow question: quick way to export a click track?
2015/05/27 08:14:40
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If I needed this frequently, I would add TTS-1 (lightweight) and create a MIDI clip to drive via PRV. Make the clip a groove clip and save it in your media lib.
Save the TTS-1 track as a template.
Now anytime you need it, you can throw TTS-1 in the project, stretch your click MIDI clip out, then freeze it for an audio click track that follows your tempo changes thru the project.
Sounds more complicated than it is.
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Re: workflow question: quick way to export a click track?
2015/05/27 08:35:18
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How about creating a normal bus, adding a send on the metronome bus routed to the new bus and exporting that? Does that work? I've never needed to try it.
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Re: workflow question: quick way to export a click track?
2015/05/27 10:14:52
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To export the Tempo list, I would bring it up in the multi-dock and grab a screenshot.
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Re: workflow question: quick way to export a click track?
2015/05/27 10:41:48
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It's dead simple. The metronome defaults it's output to your interface 1/2. Change this to Master.
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Re: workflow question: quick way to export a click track?
2015/05/27 11:07:18
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It's dead simple. The metronome defaults it's output to your interface 1/2. Change this to Master.
So set it sound during playback, point it to the Master Buss, Mute the other tracks /busses and bounce to "what you hear"? That's a simple and intuitive. This question has been popping up for years without such an eloquent solution. Thanks. Rocky
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Re: workflow question: quick way to export a click track?
2015/05/28 02:17:13
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Thanks for your replies.
I would have preferred Karyn's suggestion to send it to a different bus and export it, but this doesn't work. You get an empty file, apparently because the metronome is turned off for exporting even if active during playback. It's the same situation when you export using audible bounce/"what you hear" ... the metronome is turned and not sounding during export. I reckon this is a reasonable safety measure (and see no need for this to be changed) ...
The solution that finally worked (and now is simple/fast to use when needed) was to create a groove clip containing the metronome for a long measure i.e. dragged and dropped the higher click for beat 1 and several lower clicks for the following beats, bounced to single clip, sliced it up in loop editor and saved it as audio groove clip. Now when I need it I drag it into an audio track, truncate it according to measures used (4/4 or 6/4 or whatever), discard the chopped rest and use groove clip looping to extend across entire song ... works nice at tempo changes and at export ...
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Re: workflow question: quick way to export a click track?
2015/05/28 04:19:15
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Is the metronome still active during a real-time export? (just wondering, I can see why it would be off for a fast export).
The disadvantage of the midi clip method is that it doesn't respect time sig changes without you manually editing the affected clips, which could become a pain if you have some weird rhythms going on.
An advantage, though, is that you can add extra accents and cues at strategic points to wake the drummer...
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Re: workflow question: quick way to export a click track?
2015/05/28 05:06:32
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Re: workflow question: quick way to export a click track?
2015/05/28 05:08:37
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Karyn
Is the metronome still active during a real-time export? (just wondering, I can see why it would be off for a fast export).
Apparently not ... I heard it during regular playback, but not during real-time export ... hence, the bus export which had the metronome routed to it was an empty file ... Karyn
The disadvantage of the midi clip method is that it doesn't respect time sig changes without you manually editing the affected clips, which could become a pain if you have some weird rhythms going on.
An advantage, though, is that you can add extra accents and cues at strategic points to wake the drummer...
Exactly, that's why I would have favoured your "route-metronome-to-bus-and-export" suggestion ... however, my solution was to create an extra long groove clip, which would fit a 16/4 beat (if something like that exists?), and I just chop it to the actual required length (e.g. 5/4 beat) ... of course, inserting e.g. a single 2/4 requires to go in and do some quick manual edits (copy, split, drag to extend) ... but it does follow gradual tempo changes nicely, which was why I got into this in the first place
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Re: workflow question: quick way to export a click track?
2015/05/28 05:33:41
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☼ Best Answerby FreeFlyBertl 2015/06/30 01:43:03
Get rid of everything but tempo changes and save as midi file. When you open this SMF in another DAW, all the tempos will be there.
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Re: workflow question: quick way to export a click track?
2015/05/28 08:52:34
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Get rid of everything but tempo changes and save as midi file. When you open this SMF in another DAW, all the tempos will be there.
hey, thanks for the tip - will try that ! any chance to get markers across as well?
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Re: workflow question: quick way to export a click track?
2015/06/29 18:20:43
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dilletant
Get rid of everything but tempo changes and save as midi file. When you open this SMF in another DAW, all the tempos will be there.
Hi! If I delete everything (i.e. all tracks) from the project and save the project as "MIDI Format 1" or "RIFF MIDI Format 1" I can indeed open this file as a new project (File/Open...) and get tempo changes and markers !!! Is there any way to merge/import that into an existing Sonar project? Rather than starting a new project from scratch which then only contains tempo and markers???
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Re: workflow question: quick way to export a click track?
2015/06/29 19:16:56
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☄ Helpfulby FreeFlyBertl 2015/06/30 01:42:39
Open both projects at the same time, and use Copy Special (Alt+Ctrl+C) and Paste Special (Alt+Ctrl+V) to copy-paste tempos from one project to the other.
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Re: workflow question: quick way to export a click track?
2015/06/30 01:39:44
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Open both projects at the same time, and use Copy Special (Alt+Ctrl+C) and Paste Special (Alt+Ctrl+V) to copy-paste tempos from one project to the other.
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Re: workflow question: quick way to export a click track?
2015/06/30 02:21:43
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Glad to help. 
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