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How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types...

..and use particular curves for particular applications? And if so, which curves do you use for which kinds of tracks? Inquiring minds want to know...

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 00:03:43 (permalink)
I confess: This equalizer throws me off a bit. I am used to using knobs on a parametric EQ. I always had a picture in my mind of what the curve "looked" like, but I basically adjusted by ear, and tried things I thought would work based on experience. The quad curve doesn't shape the curve as I expect it to, and half the time I end up dicking with the thing trying to figure out how it works. Of course, I am constitutionally unable to ignore the pretty picture and just use my ears, so I guess for a while I am destined to take twice as much time as I should on EQ settings. (PS: I like the thing. I'm not complaining.)

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 00:06:04 (permalink)
I just leave it at the default - hybrid. I have too many EQs and grab whatever I feel like at the moment. Not a very scientific approach for sure.
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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 00:13:07 (permalink)
I only know fancy eq stuff by it's preset name. I have no idea how they got to it, but I understand airy male, breathy female etc. Three cheers for Nectar.
 
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I guess what I am trying to say is I get simple eq, its' the fancy stuff with all the tweaks that go over my head.

 
 
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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 00:13:54 (permalink)
For some reason I keep coming back to the G series I think, the last choice.  I'll start w/ the hybrid, and if that doesn't float my boat I run through the curves, and it is almost always the last one.
 
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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 00:25:19 (permalink)
I don't use the pro-channel stuff much, I think the Waves SSL channel sounds better. It looks like it's got 2 SSL console EQ emulations (E and G). The E channel generally sounds sweeter IMO.
Personally, I don't want to see the EQ curve unless I'm doing precision cuts. Looking at a curve fools you into thinking you're doing too much or too little, I'd rather rely on my ears instead of my eyes.

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 00:48:08 (permalink)
I went back and took a look at the UI, and now I understand the question, and no, I have no idea what the difference is among the curves. I don't think it would make any difference to me, as I try to set up according to what I hear, and I don't have any antsy clients pushing me to go faster.

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 01:23:06 (permalink)
I always forget what emulations they're supposed to be, er, emulating, but I'll cycle through them sometimes to see if they make it "better" in some way. Same with Gloss. I'll flip it in now and again, but generally I stick to hybrid I think.

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 02:01:03 (permalink)
I was just asking this same question. My understanding is that it is the same EQ, just different way to represent it graphically and control it, because if you change position in one, it affects all others, so it is one, just different ways to look at it. I may be wrong.

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 02:20:43 (permalink)
I must say it would be a little easier if the curves were more plainly labeled, like "Pultec" or "SSL." I guess they have to be in code so the original manufacturers don't get uptight, but same with the console emulation. I wish they just said in plain English what console they are emulating.
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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 02:40:23 (permalink)
That might invite a fight over how close the emulation is to the original. For me they might as well be called mode 1 through 4.
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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 02:47:01 (permalink)
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That might invite a fight over how close the emulation is to the original. For me they might as well be called mode 1 through 4.

Probably right.

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 02:59:15 (permalink)
Hi:)
 
The Difference is the Q-Factor. Not the Q you can change, the Curve  you can see and hear.
 
Hybrid: UP wide, DOWN Narrow
 
Pure: The same UP and DOWN, very wide
G-Type: The same UP and DOWN, very narrow
E-Type: The same UP and DOWN, between Pure and G-Type
 
I can't hear any difference from the Sound itself, if you change all to have the same Q-Factor.
 
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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 04:08:15 (permalink)
I use either Hybrid or Pure, depending on how I feel.
 
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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 04:41:29 (permalink)
IIRC, the E type emulates an SSL 4000 E series console EQ and the G type an SSL 4000 G series.  The way the different bands interact is different, too - I guess due to the Q width.
 
The Pure is more like a standard digital EQ, and the Hybrid is a mix of E and G - narrow Q for cut and wider Q for boost.
 
I tend to use the Hybrid most of the time, but will use the G type if I want more of a general "tone shaping" EQ.
 
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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 05:28:30 (permalink)
It's all just wobbly lines to me. I make it a bit more wobbly, then go back and make it a bit less wobbly and then usually leave it that. Sometimes I press the gloss button even though it doesn't seem to make any difference, but somedays I just like pressing butttons.
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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 06:09:24 (permalink)
It would be nice to implement some "EQ presets" (starting points) that could be called up within the Quad Curve - just a thought...

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 06:12:57 (permalink)
I will not claim to understand the differences between the modes in the QC EQ. I usually just tweak in hybrid mode, and check the other modes to see if I like any of the others better. I do not hear any big differences, but then again I sit in a very small room and play on low volumes. I usually end up with hybrid or pure.

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 06:16:09 (permalink)
hum?, I keep playing with all the features until it sounds good :)
  

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 06:28:02 (permalink)
If I use it I use the default setting. I read about the differenses a long time ago but my memory is at the same level as a rodent so no clue really. Have stopped using it more or less anyway since I got Meldas AutoDynamicEq (hard one to beat imho). Got Alloy 2 recently and use that EQ quite a lot as well.
 
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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 06:28:48 (permalink)
This Blog maybe of interest http://blog.cakewalk.com/filter-response/  This series may also be helpful http://blog.cakewalk.com/subtractive-eq-snare/
 
Don't forget the help file and the Sonar manual for more information. 
 
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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 06:47:27 (permalink)
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This Blog maybe of interest http://blog.cakewalk.com/filter-response/  This series may also be helpful http://blog.cakewalk.com/subtractive-eq-snare/
 
Don't forget the help file and the Sonar manual for more information. 
 
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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 06:48:39 (permalink)
I overwhelmingly use the "pure" mode, and very occasionally the "hybrid" mode if I need narrower cuts (which I fins to be a rare situation).
 
I completely get what the idea of the different modes is, in that it emulates what might be familiar behaviour from consoles (or plug-in emulations of those consoles), but I don't really think in those kinds of terms.
 
Side question: any know if there's a way of changing which of the four modes it defaults to?

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 07:07:11 (permalink)
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Side question: any know if there's a way of changing which of the four modes it defaults to?




This would be nice to know (if it is possible, just for the knowledge)

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 08:34:28 (permalink)
I mostly use the G type, or the hybrid or sometimes pure if I need to reduce resonant peaks or similar "surgical" cutting.

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 08:47:29 (permalink)
In answer to Craig's question; 5.

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 09:37:01 (permalink)
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It's all just wobbly lines to me. I make it a bit more wobbly, then go back and make it a bit less wobbly and then usually leave it that. Sometimes I press the gloss button even though it doesn't seem to make any difference, but somedays I just like pressing butttons.


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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 09:39:04 (permalink)
On a more serious note, I asked because I wondered if it might be worth writing an article about why one would use certain curves in certain applications. It seems like that might be a good idea. I also like the idea of preset EQ settings, I did a bunch of presets for acoustic guitar that were included in one of the updates but it might be a good idea to do more. Unfortunately it's not possible to load presets for only the EQ, you have to do the whole ProChannel.
 

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 09:43:07 (permalink)
Having presets for the Quadcurve eq sounds like a worthy feature request.
 

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 09:49:57 (permalink)
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On a more serious note, I asked because I wondered if it might be worth writing an article about why one would use certain curves in certain applications. It seems like that might be a good idea. I also like the idea of preset EQ settings, I did a bunch of presets for acoustic guitar that were included in one of the updates but it might be a good idea to do more. Unfortunately it's not possible to load presets for only the EQ, you have to do the whole ProChannel.
 


True, but it would give us starting points to tweak the EQ and replace the PC modules with ones that we normally use, then rename them.  
 
I usually just start with the Hybrid EQ engaged, get my settings to where they sound good, then flip through the other EQ models to see if one sounds better than the one I started with.  If it made more sense to use the different EQ models for specific applications, that would be helpful to understand and just start out in that mode.

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