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Signal over after export despite hitting -12dBfs maximum at main out?
OK - I have been doing this a fair amount of time/years now and recently mixed one of my four bands EP's to their full satisfaction. Must be a bug of sorts. I am exporting clean (raw) tracks for one other person. Let's say I'm going with saxophone. Gain 0. Lowering fader to -6dBfs and signal is well below -12 at this point. All FX are off, and it is only routed to a master bus, that is going to main out. Master Bus has a safety limiter on at -03dBfs. During export I choose "tracks", and then "raw tracks". Looking/hearing back at the waveform it is still distorting. So I try to lower every fader possible. Still distorting. So I choose export via main out - same thing. Entire mix - same thing. No automation read, no fx, nothing. Just clean tracks, but the signal during playback is going at a very modest level to the mains. Then after export - massive distortion, which is also the case when reimporting the track to look at it. Never happened before. Input? Going Samplitude or DP?
post edited by JohnRick - 2015/06/02 11:55:59
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Re: Signal over after export despite hitting -12dBfs maximum at main out?
2015/06/02 11:54:28
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Hi.Could it be a mismatch of sample rates (between project and samples)? What audio interface do you have? Do you have the latest drivers for it? Best of luck.
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JohnRick
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Re: Signal over after export despite hitting -12dBfs maximum at main out?
2015/06/02 12:03:34
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No mismatch. Always record 24/44.1. RME UCX is my AI of choice. Always the latest drivers, but that is not an issue either way since it's the exported file in itself that get's hot even if all gain knobs/faders and buses are close to the floor. I just tried muting the track I'm going to export, and then exported. File ended up having a massive amount of white noise on it.
post edited by JohnRick - 2015/06/02 12:10:09
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Re: Signal over after export despite hitting -12dBfs maximum at main out?
2015/06/02 12:10:40
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Check you routing again. Look for sends or tracks that are not routed as you think.
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JohnRick
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Re: Signal over after export despite hitting -12dBfs maximum at main out?
2015/06/02 12:16:29
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John Check you routing again. Look for sends or tracks that are not routed as you think.
Again - all that has been done. Have worked the past five years, and now suddenly does not. Clean track->master bus->stereo out. No sends, and I only export that single track.
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Re: Signal over after export despite hitting -12dBfs maximum at main out?
2015/06/02 12:22:50
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I know a few versions ago your Pan Law settings set at 0 would cause some overages.Also check your interleave settings so you are not summing incorrectly.This was an issue not too long ago. Just spit balling..
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Re: Signal over after export despite hitting -12dBfs maximum at main out?
2015/06/02 14:42:34
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I had an issue, not with Sonar in particular but with RME Totalmix. All outs were also routed to analog 1+2 out - so running headphones out on one and then on main - became 6dB extra which distorted. So I removed that extra routing to 1+2 in Matrix view - and that fixed it. Don't know if applicable in your case - do you run a headphone mix too or something? A bit puzzled over description - you say actual signal is below -12dB, but you had to set a limiter on -3dB: a) why do you need that if so low on everything? b) does limiter say any limiting done? Either way, I would look at Totalmix meters what is moving with a playthrough. No luck, look through dc offset and remove that. Still no luck - did you have offset mode for fader on at some time - meaning there might be an internal offset done to the automation your don't think you have, because it's a straight line. Check the level on it! Meters set to peak, and not rms? Now, I'm out of ideas....
post edited by lfm - 2015/06/02 14:52:18
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Re: Signal over after export despite hitting -12dBfs maximum at main out?
2015/06/02 15:18:46
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got a compressor somewhere trying to make itself known?
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Re: Signal over after export despite hitting -12dBfs maximum at main out?
2015/06/27 12:28:29
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Update: Still the same thing. Time to move on to a better software likely. Again, I appreciate input, but this has NOT got something to do with hidden plugs or anything. It's one track only that needs exporting. Fader down to -6dbfs, routed out to masterbus. Main outs are at 0,0, as well as masterbus fader. During playback a very conservative level and not even hitting -9dbfs. Clean track export via masterbus- > reimport the same track=major roofhits.
post edited by JohnRick - 2015/06/27 12:37:11
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Re: Signal over after export despite hitting -12dBfs maximum at main out?
2015/06/27 13:03:00
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If you like you can make a mini project of this. Select the track and master, and save as track template. Start a new blank project, insert this saved track template. And we can run it from here and see - if you want - or don't.
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Re: Signal over after export despite hitting -12dBfs maximum at main out?
2015/06/27 18:08:36
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I had a similar issue. I found it was caused by a track's output going directly to the output bus, not my master bus.
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Re: Signal over after export despite hitting -12dBfs maximum at main out?
2015/06/28 06:33:59
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JohnRick Update: Still the same thing. Time to move on to a better software likely. Again, I appreciate input, but this has NOT got something to do with hidden plugs or anything. It's one track only that needs exporting. Fader down to -6dbfs, routed out to masterbus. Main outs are at 0,0, as well as masterbus fader. During playback a very conservative level and not even hitting -9dbfs. Clean track export via masterbus- > reimport the same track=major roofhits.
To be fair, it's not the software otherwise this forum would have been in total meltdown. Try bouncing the clip to itself. This has cured a number of problems in the past If that fails, drag/copy the clip to a new project and try again
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Re: Signal over after export despite hitting -12dBfs maximum at main out?
2015/06/28 07:15:54
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What stuck in my eyes was that you route things to Master Bus, but select Tracks as the source. Why not Master? I don't know if it matters, though.
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Re: Signal over after export despite hitting -12dBfs maximum at main out?
2015/06/28 07:33:40
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I have had a really strange issue too with distortion, in my last two songs (and none before). It's a bass drum track in those songs (recorded with a mic), either exported with the entire song or as a single track, it sounds fine on the DAW computer and another comp I tried it on but as soon as I play one of those tracks on my own comp it distorts heavily. I have tried exporting other songs I have done recently to compare and none of them do this but these two. I have tried exporting them in various formats from totally unprocessed to drum replacer and compression at 44.1/16, 48/24, 44.1/32 etc., nothing works! I've never seen (or heard) anything like this! Using Platinum with latest updates. *baffled*
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Re: Signal over after export despite hitting -12dBfs maximum at main out?
2015/06/28 12:46:40
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JohnRick During export I choose "tracks", and then "raw tracks".
Are you using RAW as the export format? If so that may not mean what you think. It is sort of a formatless audio format. The format should probably be wave, unless your collaborator is using some weird application.
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Re: Signal over after export despite hitting -12dBfs maximum at main out?
2015/06/28 14:01:40
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Hey all, I found a solution, I EQed those tracks with highpass at around 40 Hz now and the distortion is gone. I guess my main comp couldn't really handle those really low freqs. Thanks for reading!
post edited by jerryfie - 2015/06/28 14:07:47
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Re: Signal over after export despite hitting -12dBfs maximum at main out?
2015/06/28 14:33:49
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What kind of limiter do you have on the master bus? Could it be overloading?
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Re: Signal over after export despite hitting -12dBfs maximum at main out?
2015/06/29 05:03:03
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I read so many posts like this one, with nary a mention of what happened before the track stage at gain, so thank you for stating where yours was set. That may be your issue. Try lowering the gain to the level you set your tracks to instead of adjusting from the track. That will give you more headroom. If the signal is clipping on input(gain pot) it will clip on export If you're exporting to raw, or even wav if you check the option to defeat Sonar's processing. (I.E. you will get the full volume of the input no matter what your track settings are.) Have you checked for this? Mel
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