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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 13:58:59 (permalink)
I always start with a preset when using Waves VEQ 3. IT gives a great starting point and usually I only make subtle changes from there. If the same ability was available via the Quad Curve I'd definitely use it.

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 14:52:55 (permalink)
I haven't really tried usung the Quad Core EQ because I like the vintage emulations I get from Alloy 2. Not to mention the presets they have as well. Now that you've asked the question I will give it a whirl. The only EQ I use in the Sonar entourage is Sonitus... as a high pass to kill outside noise from hardware or the laptop in and of itself.
I also have the Waves C-6, but I find myself using the Izotope as my goto EQ. But anything you can enlighten me on about Quad Core or total EQ from A-Z? I'm all for it.
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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 15:14:00 (permalink)
Pure for buses so wide tiny sweeps..E/G for more individual feel and finxing on a track..Hybrid for all around EQ needs.My 3rd Party EQs are for their tonal qualities.
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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 16:35:57 (permalink)
For really mission-critical mix decisions I always turn off my speakers and my screen and adjust EQ using the Force. I have a little pendulum I swing that tells me when it's just right. Except on a full moon, when the only way to really know for sure is by haru****y ... (Come on, click it. You know you need to know!)
 
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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 17:15:36 (permalink)
Hi subtlearts,
I know you said not to explain, but I'm gonna anyway. It's because those letters spell out a particularly derogatory term for a person of Central or Southern American heritage. Also why when I "suspect" something it censors the adjective form: su****ious.
 
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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 17:38:13 (permalink)
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The only EQ I use in the Sonar entourage is Sonitus... as a high pass to kill outside noise from hardware or the laptop in and of itself.



I think you'll find the QuadCurve's lowpass and highpass filters more effective, because you can dial in 48 db/octave settings. To do that with the Sonitus I had to use several stages...much easier just to choose a slope and frequency.

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 17:45:56 (permalink)
My educated guesses/two cents...
 
I haven't noticed a coloration difference, but I THINK the base (1.3) Q and the shelving shape is based on the following models:

Pure: Based on the API 550 Series EQs
E/G Type: Based on the SSL E-series and G-series Console EQs, respectively.
 
Hybrid seems to be the E-type boost but with a narrower cut.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 17:47:34 (permalink)
The only time I use a different EQ in mixing now is when I want more than one stage of EQ in the ProChannel. For that, I put FabFilter in an FX chain. But if you could have more than one Quad Curve per channel, I don't think I'd even use that.
I very occasionally use FabFilter or the Ozone EQ for linear phase purposes, but that's really rare.

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 17:54:29 (permalink)
I'm afraid I gave up on the PC EQ module on account of it being too small for my liking. Some here introduced me to FabFilter and that was it... Pro-Q all the way now, either on an individual track or a bus. Nice big display, spectrum pre and post, easy to understand and use and you can, if you wish, save presets.
 
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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 17:57:00 (permalink)
I find the different curves useful, and make use of cutting with this EQ more than boosting. Having the E and G type curves gives you much of what the SSL E and G EQs gave us and that's useful. I don't recommend looking at the graph when using these two. 'Pure' is excellent for cutting and notching. 
 
However, being able to use this EQ outside the ProChannel---and even outside Sonar would make it MUCH more valuable and useful to me. It's still easier for me to grab a 3rd-party EQ that does much of the same in the local channel FX bin than to have to access the ProChannel to use the EQ.
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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 18:25:15 (permalink)
Craig, this sounds like a great idea for Unsolved Mysteries: DAW Edition

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 19:13:13 (permalink)
OT - I am also looking forward to the chance to play around with the +10 db EQ.
 
I think it can do some quite interesting things - reminiscent of the Pultec trick, thanks to the fact that the bands work in parallel, rather than series.
 
What does anyone else find with this one?
 
Anyhow, back OT, sorry.
 
 

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 19:19:05 (permalink)
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I'm afraid I gave up on the PC EQ module on account of it being too small for my liking. Some here introduced me to FabFilter and that was it... Pro-Q all the way now, either on an individual track or a bus. Nice big display, spectrum pre and post, easy to understand and use and you can, if you wish, save presets.
 



FYI Platinum has a flyout for the EQ that gives a really big display.

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 19:24:54 (permalink)
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FYI Platinum has a flyout for the EQ that gives a really big display.



Thanks for the heads-up on that Craig.
 
However, I'm not planning on upgrading to Platinum yet, if at all. I'm reasonably happy with X2 and as total amateur I can't justify the cost at the moment.
 
Perhaps in the future 

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 19:25:00 (permalink)
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....I also like the idea of preset EQ settings, I did a bunch of presets for acoustic guitar that were included in one of the updates but it might be a good idea to do more. Unfortunately it's not possible to load presets for only the EQ, you have to do the whole ProChannel.

I long for the day when we'll get preset ability in the PC.
 
AFA the QuadCurve EQ goes, I generally set things by ear and then cycle through the various 'types' and chooses the one that sounds best.
 
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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 22:35:37 (permalink)
I originally used this as a guide: http://blog.cakewalk.com/quadcurve-eq-demystified/
 
I use different curves based on the material, now prominent the item needs to be in the mix, etc. I may clone the same part two or three times, then use the different curves muting/unmuting between the interactions with different tracks. Personally, I really love the eq and the way it functions. 
 
I think a bevy of presets would be awesome. When feeling experimental, I'll flip through presets to give me ideas that I may not have come up with myself.

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 23:15:08 (permalink)
I only use the quadcurve and now have stepped up to the Fab pro-Q2, which adds a bunch of things to the basic quadcurve approach.  Personally I primarily use EQ to carve out frequency space for various overlapping instruments in a mix.  I often just use quadcurve for this as it is so quick, quite nice to work with, and often does the job.  Pro-Q2 on master channel always and sometimes on other things.  I've got so many EQs that I've just settled on the graphically cool ones and seeing what it is doing to the spectrum is what I love about the Pro-Q2.  As to what the various settings do I think  Basseman summed up my thinking the best.

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 23:30:51 (permalink)
QUAD CURVE, I thought Craig was asking how many wavy lines I could make when I ride my Four wheel Honda Quad around the curves really fast.     
 
 
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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 23:52:52 (permalink)
YES! YES! To Pro Channel preset capability!!!!!



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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/02 23:57:12 (permalink)
I worked it out but I still refer to the instruction manual every time just to make sure...the pure on mastering is a revelation!
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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/03 01:55:55 (permalink)
I have no idea how or why the curves work. All I know is if I try to use em my audio pops off, or the whole project crashes. So, I just customarily leave it alone. Got an Ol dusty analog EQ to run through if I really need it. Little sliders I can understand, lol!!

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/03 02:42:50 (permalink)
I've read (and tried to understand) what each curve does, and have tried to put each into practice when searching for the "right" EQ on a particular sound.
I found it difficult at the beginning, but after much time, and listening, I am finally starting to hear the differences, and can even match what I'm looking at, to what I'm hearing some of the time.
I have never used a large format console in a "real" studio (I was never allowed to touch the dials). I don't have the ears to match what I'm hearing to any particular console, but I realise that is what those curves are trying to emulate.
Personally I've found this EQ to be almost everything I need, there are so many ways to alter the sound with this one EQ. I rarely use anything else unless I'm looking for a particular sound, or need an EQ "before and after", and need two or more EQ's on a particular sound.
Craig, any tutorial on how to use and setup a particular FX is going to be welcome and read by myself, and others I'm sure. The Quad Curve EQ has so many features it's surely welcome to be reminded of its many applications.

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/03 04:15:58 (permalink)
I'm not sure what is meant by the original question, but the way I use EQ is fairly simple, and is from a trick I saw used by a professional (although I imagine I don't use it as well as they do).
 
Using a graphical EQ, I play a track in solo, and sweep across the frequencies, boosting them.  And when I hear the frequency where it sounds worst, I cut that frequency by few DB.  Seems to help get good clarity.
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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/03 07:09:29 (permalink)
I switch around depending on what I need, but usually the first mode is sufficient on instrument tracks. I don't use it for EQ on the master bus.

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/03 08:02:54 (permalink)
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YES! YES! To Pro Channel preset capability!!!!!



Just to be clear, the ProChannel does have preset capability. It's just that the individual modules within it don't.

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/03 08:05:59 (permalink)
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The pure on mastering is a revelation!



Agreed, that's my favorite for general tone shaping.

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/03 11:46:44 (permalink)
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YES! YES! To Pro Channel preset capability!!!!!


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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/03 15:29:50 (permalink)
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I worked it out but I still refer to the instruction manual every time just to make sure...
 




I think that link really does a good job of explain the differences (as long as one understands concepts of basic EQ and Qs)
 
LOVE the Zoom out Quad Curve in the pro-channel.  I'm beyond shocked to see posts of other people looking to other plugins to do the same task.  
 
The ability to create and save presets would be nice as I use the EQ on most channels and frequently deal with similar settings for certain sources.  
 

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/03 15:46:21 (permalink)
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..and use particular curves for particular applications? And if so, which curves do you use for which kinds of tracks? Inquiring minds want to know...




To answer your question  ........I have no idea!
 
I can say that I will place myself in the "Do Not Fully Understand" column.  So hopefully we convince you to write a column.  That would be very helpful.  Your Sonar articles are one of the first things I read each month in Sound on Sound magazine.

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Re: How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types... 2015/06/03 16:06:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby wmountney 2015/06/03 17:15:47
I don't stand in opposition to anyone's feature requests or anything, but honestly, EQ presets are the primary enemy of good mixing. There is basically never a good reason to use one.

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