wizard71
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Bass preamp
Hi folks, I've got an octa capture and a fender p bass... would it be very beneficial to get a bass preamp? I currently just use the hiZ input. I also use amplitude ampeg. Thanks
post edited by wizard71 - 2015/06/04 15:28:29
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batsbrew
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Re: Bass preamp
2015/06/04 15:57:25
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i use this for my bass tracks: excellent. a step up, is what geddy lee of rush (and others) use: another excellent product.
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Re: Bass preamp
2015/06/04 16:55:25
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I've done some direct recording with an Ibanez Blazer Bass (P Bass type) and a Yamaha 5 string with active pickups. Its OK but its better, after using a POD Farm Bass amp model (Ampeg B15N clone works good for me). I've also used the Bass through my POD X3 Bass program and that works OK too.
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Re: Bass preamp
2015/06/04 17:41:27
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I use one of these
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Re: Bass preamp
2015/06/04 19:50:44
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Not only for bass but for vocals. The important part to me is I must have a GOOD analog compressor ahead of the A/D. Most digital solution compress AFTER the A/D. The EQ on this makes it a swiss army knife pre amp. You can leave your Bass and your mike plugged in as it has both XLR and 1/4 inputs on the back. Simply push the line switch and make new settings. I have mine memorized. The Phantom power does not go to the line in so you can leave it on too. What I really like is it has 2 parallel outputs. So one goes to my Interface for the recording input and the other goes to a small mixer which then drives my headphones and / or a Mackie SRM 350 powered PA speaker. I need the big speaker so I'll play the bass the way it was meant to be played. Loud. This stops me from making unwanted noises which you won't hear through wimpy monitors of headphones. http://www.joemeek.com/threeq.html
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Jim Roseberry
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Re: Bass preamp
2015/06/05 09:35:34
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wizard71 Hi folks, I've got an octa capture and a fender p bass... would it be very beneficial to get a bass preamp? I currently just use the hiZ input. I also use amplitude ampeg. Thanks
I love Fender basses... but IMO passive Fender basses don't sound their best recorded straight DI. Active basses cope better straight DI (ie: Musicman Stingray) Ampeg SCR-DI was just released (~$200) The Zoom B3 actually has a couple really nice sounding models. The Bassman is perfect for classic-rock type tones.
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Re: Bass preamp
2015/06/05 10:07:00
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Another good bass pre-amp is the MXR M80. It can run from batteries but is better using 48v phantom power which gives it much more headroom. No compressor built in though. If you want an 'in the box' option the Amplitube Ampeg models aren't bad, but personally I prefer the MXR or a Sansamp. The Amplitube compressors and envelope filter on the other hand, not so good. The compressor plugins that come with Sonar do a better job. Another option is to DI the bass without a dedicated bass pre-amo and use compression, e.q. and something like the Softube saturation knob to process the raw bass. Lots of excellent bass recordings have been made that way.
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Re: Bass preamp
2015/06/05 10:28:26
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I use the UA LA-610, but it is NOT a "budget" item. Tom
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Re: Bass preamp
2015/06/05 15:30:25
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Hey all, thanks for your input. I've opted for the sansamp tech 21 rack mount, will be interesting to see how it compares with my existing method.
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Re: Bass preamp
2015/06/05 15:52:20
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the way i use my sansamp bass DI (and the rack version is similar) is to take the 'effected' signal right off the Bass Di to one track, and then use the 'unaffected' direct out and put that thru a mic pre and a compressor.... and then into the sound card. blend those two together. or, add a miced track along with those other 2 tracks, time shift to align the miced track, and blend all together.
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wizard71
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Re: Bass preamp
2015/06/05 16:20:08
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I guess that's kinda like the method I've been using for a while which roughly speaking is to copy the bass part to another track, use a low pass to keep low/low mids end on one track and use high pass on the other and add some distortion then blend the two. I've no idea if this is a good idea but seems to work ok. Is it best to use xlr from sansamp to s card and just keep the octa capture preamp set to zero?
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Re: Bass preamp
2015/06/05 16:37:45
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i would go directly from the xlr to the soundcard. but having a 'parallel' track, versus a copied track that gets clownphucked, is WAY better, and gives you a much wider range of frequency to work with.. the idea is, the sansamp gives you the 'amp and speaker' emulation, and you put your drive characteristics on that.... then the 'unaffected' xlr out, gives you a pure bass tone (a typical direct injection sound) and THAT is what you run into your octo capture, and keep it clean, but if you have an outboard compressor, it's here that you would use that, to control the 'form' of the bass capture then, with that full bandwidth clean capture, mixed in with the grunt from the sansamp sound of your choosing, you get a really nice pair of tones to then tweak on mixdown
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wizard71
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Re: Bass preamp
2015/06/05 17:14:12
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Thanks bats brew, appreciate you taking the time to respond. I'm really looking forward to trying this out. Is it worth using with my fender tele too?
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Re: Bass preamp
2015/06/05 18:02:43
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sure,,,,,,, whynot? i've run guitars thru the sansamp, and split the signal the same way, running the 'unaffected' signal thru my pedal chain and into a Palmer pdi-09, and into a mic pre...... didn't get what i wanted, but it did work. infinitely variable
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Re: Bass preamp
2015/06/05 20:09:59
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DeeringAmps I use the UA LA-610, but it is NOT a "budget" item.
Tom
This ^^^^^ and.... I use my dbx 266xs compressor as I like it better than the LA-610 compressor for my bazz.
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Re: Bass preamp
2015/06/06 11:00:54
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bapu
This ^^^^^ and.... I use my dbx 266xs compressor as I like it better than the LA-610 compressor for my bazz.
For the OP: The compressor in the LA-610 is based on a LA-2A (which is a slower/gentler) type compressor. Smooth and transparent... If you want to "clamp down" or sound more aggressive, something like an 1176 would be a good choice. You can get the same 610 pre-amp (sans dynamics processor) for ~$1000 Also in the high-dollar solutions: Kemper Profiling Amp with a good set of Ampeg profiles. Makes recording bass (and guitar) an absolute breeze...
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