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Confused Again....(EQ and Izotope)
I was watching the video on Ozone 6, and got confused. He is talking about mastering and he mentions de-essing and dynamic eq. I have Nectar 2 and it has eq and a de-esser as well. I am guessing these overlap? A Nectar preset gets set up when John does the take. After he leaves I go in and tweak the Nectar preset to "clean it up". So, I guess Nectar 2 is for mixing and Ozone is for mastering, and some tools overlap. If I am wrong, please let me know.......
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Re: Confused Again....(EQ and Izoope)
2015/06/14 18:05:08
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That would be a pretty reasonable synopsis...but it't not to say that still can't use Ozone at the Track level if you feel the need...while these things are considered "norms" remember...
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charlyg
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Re: Confused Again....(EQ and Izotope)
2015/06/14 18:38:22
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hmm, I thought there was a "spoonful".......
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Re: Confused Again....(EQ and Izotope)
2015/06/14 19:43:16
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Many effects do overlap, so be mindful of "doubling up" on things unnecessarily. If a mix is done well, the mastering should not require anything drastic.
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Re: Confused Again....(EQ and Izotope)
2015/06/14 21:59:53
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And we're not even talking Alloy2 yet. If Ozone can be used on mixing, why still do Alloy?
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Re: Confused Again....(EQ and Izotope)
2015/06/15 00:46:16
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Alloy 2 includes a lot of the same features as Ozone, but is designed more for track usage (lighter weight, and missing mastering goodies). Ozone Advanced allows for the suite to be separated so it is a lighter CPU hit, but you also pay for this.
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Re: Confused Again....(EQ and Izotope)
2015/06/15 08:53:59
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Ozone would certainly not be my first choice for de-essing. Nor second or third-choice. But it would definitely be capable of handling the task in a pinch.
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Re: Confused Again....(EQ and Izotope)
2015/06/15 11:46:57
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charlyg hmm, I thought there was a "spoonful".......
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Re: Confused Again....(EQ and Izotope)
2015/06/15 11:51:24
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charlyg hmm, I thought there was a "spoonful".......
Lovin', no doubt.
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Re: Confused Again....(EQ and Izotope)
2015/06/19 08:29:52
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Nectar is primarily a vocal processing toolkit. When you look at it that way you can see the need for de essing, taking out the sinilance in vocal tracks.
When you look at mastering a project there can also be a need for de essing due to the build up of high frequency material during the summing of all the tracks. Now you need a mastering de-esser. Step in Ozone 6.1.
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Re: Confused Again....(EQ and Izotope)
2015/06/19 08:41:58
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That makes a lot of sense. Someday I hope to advance from grasshopper stage!
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Re: Confused Again....(EQ and Izotope)
2015/06/19 09:01:44
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2015/06/21 08:59:55
When you can snatch this pebble from my hand...........
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Re: Confused Again....(EQ and Izotope)
2015/06/20 23:06:01
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After getting Alloy 2 on track level for vocals and guitars, I don't really use Ozone much. With proper mixing, I just need some T-Racks at the master channel. Is Nectar really required for vocals, there is still Cake's de-essing plug included, and I have 3rd party harmonizing plugs if required (which I seldom uses).
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Re: Confused Again....(EQ and Izotope)
2015/06/21 09:06:10
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No. Not required at all. There are many variations of very thing, they look different sound different or so we're told but at the end of the day it's up to you. There's a pretty good de-esser in among the T Racks plugins too.
post edited by mudgel - 2015/06/22 23:50:48
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Re: Confused Again....(EQ and Izotope)
2015/06/21 09:10:03
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I use Nectar 2 for vocals, alloy 2 for tracks, and ozone 6 for mastering. They work well together, and you also have the option to group vocals or certain instruments on buses, then use tools such as alloy or nector to avoid the bit CPU hit--and it is a big hit, IMO, if you use several instances of each plug-in. I find the ozone mastering to be very useful in giving a final sheen to a well-mixed project, and I prefer it to just doing everything in my mix. The final results can be subtle or striking, depending on what you are looking for in your final product. And I have only scratched the surface, mostly using their presets. I believe that if you tweak your presets, experiment, that over time you can accomplish a lot with these particular plugs. It's not as EZ as EZ mix, but I think the multitude of presets, combined with the infinite tweakability, make it a more useful tool for all types of music. I've used it on original jazz, pop, folk, and on many cover tunes of similar styles, etc. It's pricey, but sales happen, and support seems pretty good, too. I live in the same state as the company, so I like supporting local businesses (Sonar, too is in my home state of MASS). Hope this helps.
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Re: Confused Again....(EQ and Izotope)
2015/06/21 18:21:47
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After seeing the ozone 6.1 review in SOS I decided to download the demo. I currently own ozone 5. Well I'm terribly unimpressed. They claim to have improved the user interface and work flow. I spent an hour being very confused. I'm sticking with 5.0!
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Re: Confused Again....(EQ and Izotope)
2015/06/22 11:28:46
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mudgel When you can snatch this pebble from my hand...........
Mudgel, ever see "They Call Me Bruce?" Grandfather: "Snatch the pebble from my hand" Bruce:"Grandfather there is a big bird over your head!" Grandfather: "I am too old and wise to fall for that" Bird craps on Grandfather's head. He is distracted .Bruce snatches pebble. Grandfather nods with approval. He is pleased. Moral: "whatever gets the job done."
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Re: Confused Again....(EQ and Izotope)
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Re: Confused Again....(EQ and Izotope)
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Reminds me, I gotta get me one o' them there pebbles. How's you gonna snatch it if I ain't got it?
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