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2015/06/16 01:03:28 (permalink)

Time Stretching

Maybe someone can help me out with this. The video below is something that was stretched out and has little to no artifacts in it. How is this possible when I can't seemingly time stretch clips in sonar by .5/second without artifacts?
 
Jurassic Park Theme
https://youtu.be/I9mrvbpx_3E
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Re: Time Stretching 2015/06/16 02:03:27 (permalink)
My guess is by using something that's optimized to do extreme stretching like this:
 
http://hypermammut.sourceforge.net/paulstretch/
 
And the Jurassic Park Theme lends itself to this because it's dominated by sustained and slowly evolving strings, horns and woodwinds. And artifacts are generally less obvious when stretching full mixes than with delicate solo instruments or voices.
 
SONAR generally gives pretty reasonable results with the right material stretched by a reasonable amount, and rendered with the right algorithm. But I understand there are DAWs that do it better.

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Re: Time Stretching 2015/06/16 09:51:54 (permalink)
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SONAR generally gives pretty reasonable results with the right material stretched by a reasonable amount, and rendered with the right algorithm. But I understand there are DAWs that do it better.



Based on the DAWs I've used, which is pretty much all of them, the best algorithms are iZotope Radius (used by SONAR) and zplane elastique Pro V2 (used in current versions of Sound Forge, Ableton Live, Ueberschall, Cubase, and some others). Note that zplane also licenses several "downsized" versions, like elastique soloist; I'm talking solely about the Pro V2 version, which is their best.
 
I don't detect any significant difference between Radius and elastique Pro V2 in terms of sound quality, or I'd export audio from SONAR for stretching. There have been instances where one sounds just a teeny bit better than the other, but it's not predictable which one will be "best" (depends on the program material), and the difference is so small it's not worth taking the time to stretch and evaluate. 
 
Of course this applies only to offline stretching and rendering. Real-time stretching is something else altogether, and Acidization/REXing can be very good or very bad depending on the editing, the stretch amount, whether pitch transposition is involved, and whether you're speeding up or slowing down.

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Re: Time Stretching 2015/06/16 13:48:41 (permalink)
Prosoniq "Time Factory"  They don't make the PC version any more, but there is a MAC version.  You might find one on a shelf in a store somewhere.
Quality - Pitch and time manipulation.
 
 

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Re: Time Stretching 2015/06/16 15:14:00 (permalink)
I have been blow away by MachFive 3's IRCAM-based time stretching.  This demo is impressive. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scz8Kh2Cd2g
 
I have MachFive, but haven't even opened the box yet...hm.
For my basic warping, I use Ableton.   It's about the only reason I have it, actually.
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Re: Time Stretching 2015/06/16 17:37:09 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2015/06/16 18:14:52
It sounds like the OP is using online quality rather than bounced down versions.
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