AnsweredSound Center: Some basic questions

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2015/06/20 07:01:10 (permalink)

Sound Center: Some basic questions

Hello everyone,
I am not using synthesizers a lot but every now and then I like to spice up my recording with a little extra non analog instrument here and there. For this I like Sound Center. Although it is rather simple I still haven't fully understood certain points. I checked the main SONAR help and the included web help but still have these very basic questions (if I simply overlooked some help files just refer me to them):   
 
Here we go:
Basically I just want to add different Sound Center instruments to different parts of a song.
Now, very simply:
1) Do I have to load different instances of Sound Center for each instrument I am using?
I was looking for some way to have different midi files and then somehow address a specific Sound Center instrument with midi file 1 and another instrument with midi file 2. Is there anything like that or is it one instrument = one Sound Center instance?
 
Similiar to that:
2) Can Sound Center be automated somehow? Can I have one instance of Sound Center that plays instrument A during bar 1 to 10 and then changes to another instrument on bar 11?
 
Now, this is a bit more far-fetched and not so important:
Before using Sound Center I was using midi sounds with the Standard Windows Midi player. I changed to Sound Center because I didn't find an easy way to transform these midi files into audio. The only method I found was solo the parts, play them and then record externally with audacity and reinclude the recorded file back into SONAR.
3) Is there a better way to do that? Seems like I should find some kind of "Record what you hear" option but I didn't.
 
Again, even if some of that sounds idiotically simple to some getting some hints and explanation would be really helpful for me. 
 
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Re: Sound Center: Some basic questions 2015/06/20 07:21:04 (permalink)
#3. Freeze the synth you are using. That will turn the midi into audio.

What I do is freeze the synth I want to turn midi into audio. Then I copy the audio created to another track.

This way I can use the audio as I want. And then if it ain't working as a whole or in parts, unfreeze the associated synth, make adjustments, refreeze and continue on.

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Re: Sound Center: Some basic questions 2015/06/20 11:23:47 (permalink)
It is possible to send program change messages via MIDI to a VSTi, I think, as you would with an external synth, but I find it easier to create an instance of whatever VSTi for every instrument/track I need. It's just easier that way, in my opinion.
 
As Grem says, freezing a synth is the best way to go, and is another reason why it would be easier/better to have an instance of sound center for each instrument you require.
 
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Re: Sound Center: Some basic questions 2015/06/20 12:26:34 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Steffen Heller 2015/06/21 17:39:44
1. Yes, one instance for each instrument is typically how CSS is used
2. No, most sample based synths do not honor MIDI program change messages. This is because of the time it takes to load the samples. This is another reason you may need to run multiple instances of CSS.
3. Using soft synths like CSS instead of the Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth makes it easy to bounce, freeze or export the audio generated by the soft synth. Note, there is no need to bounce or freeze a synth before exporting but the functions are available if you want to use them. If you disable the Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth, opening MIDI iles are automatically mapped to the TTS-1 synth. In short there is no reason to use the Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth
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Re: Sound Center: Some basic questions 2015/06/21 14:32:46 (permalink)
@scook: Thanks for mentioning "Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth". I couldn't remember the name. This is what I meant with "Standard Windows Midi player". 
 
Is it correct that unlike other soft synth the Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth does NOT allow to freeze or bounce a track? That is how it seemed to me and that is the problem I tried to explain at 3) of my initial posting.
 
By the way, can someone explain what the Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth exactly is? 
It is always there, unlike other soft synth it does not have an interface, just allows me to send my midi files to one hundred something standard midi sounds. Afterwards I can hear these midi files played with the sound of the chosen instrument, but there is no way to freeze or bounce it.
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Re: Sound Center: Some basic questions 2015/06/21 15:48:14 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby Steffen Heller 2015/06/21 17:40:01
Yes
 
It is a chip in your PC; to SONAR it is an external synth like any other hardware synthesizer. SONAR comes with a GM software synth called TTS-1 which will do the same job the "Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth" has performed in the past.
 
As I mentioned above, disable the "Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth" in the output section SONAR Preferences > MIDI > Devices. With no MIDI output devices defined in SONAR, opening a MIDI file in SONAR will automatically setup TTS-1 to play the file. The file should sound similar to the "Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth" except it will be done all inside SONAR using the TTS-1.
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Re: Sound Center: Some basic questions 2015/06/21 17:39:00 (permalink)
Thanks a lot, scook. That helped understanding and also is a great practical tip. 
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Re: Sound Center: Some basic questions 2015/06/22 14:45:06 (permalink)
This may or may not be of any use since you're referring specifically to MIDI files in this case, but in regards to your "Record what you hear" question, look at your audio interface settings and see if there's a loopback feature.  If so, you can enable that, then arm a track in Sonar and select your audio device/loop as the input and it'll record whatever's going through your interface.  I've used this quite a bit to capture audio from a video stream on the web, or any other instance in which it's problematic to import an audio file directly into Sonar.
 
FWIW.
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