Sound card question for new Dell XPS 8700 (WAVE MAXXAudio4)

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Sound card question for new Dell XPS 8700 (WAVE MAXXAudio4)

Hi All,
About to pull the trigger on a new Dell XPS 8700 and could use some advice on the sound card. It comes with a WAVE MAXXAudio4 (integrated 7.1) and I'm not sure if it'll just be a waste of money working with Sonar X3? Any thoughts or experiences? Go with an external sound card perhaps?
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    Re: Sound card question for new Dell XPS 8700 (WAVE MAXXAudio4) 2015/06/28 10:52:02 (permalink)
    You don't want to use an internal "sound card" for audio.  They are $5 bits of hardware made for low use w/ a lot of different formats (game, video etc.).  You are just about guaranteed to have conflicts and a very high latency (the difference in timing between hitting a key on a keyboard and playing a softsynth or hearing your guitar while playing to previous recorded tracks.  You need an external audio interface made for high performance at one format (whatever you are working at).  They start out at about $100.  Tascam, Focusrite and Roland have some popular low cost models.  Most use USB to connect w/ the computer, but they can use Firewire or PCI slots.  Or madi etc. for expensive pro set ups.
     
    If you try to make a go w/ a sound card you'll be here (and elsewhere on the internet) more than doing music, trying to get your computer to make music.
     


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    Re: Sound card question for new Dell XPS 8700 (WAVE MAXXAudio4) 2015/06/28 11:05:59 (permalink)
    Ditto. It really doesn't matter which soundcard is in a computer because you won't use it. 
    Not often mentioned but my tests have shown that anything other than good ASIO drivers will result in your timing offset being out. And with on board MME mode WAY out.  
    It truly is a waste of time to use anything other than an audio interface with GOOD ASIO drivers. 

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    Re: Sound card question for new Dell XPS 8700 (WAVE MAXXAudio4) 2015/06/28 12:55:47 (permalink)
    I have an XPS8500 from 3 years ago. Same sound chip. The bigger issue is the driver. GET RID OF IT! It took me a couple of attempts (did not keep notes on the "how") to remove the MAXX driver and get Windows to install a default driver, which I haven't had any conflicts with (that I know of).
     
    I never got the PreSonus driver for my AudioBox 44VSL to work (it blows up the iLok driver), so I switched to a Tascam audio i/f. Have not tried Focusrite, but have heard good things.
     
    I also have yet to figure out the USB hardware on the XPS8500. I have 2 USB3 ports on the front, 2 USB2 ports on the top, 4 USB2 and 2 USB3 ports on the back. Great. But...how many hubs? Which ports are tied to which hub? Any publicly available Dell documentation on the subject? NO. It's a good machine. I've had to replace the power supply once (like I have on every PC I've owned over the years, it seems) and I added a second 8GB of RAM, but that's it. The only thing I miss is not having a second monitor.

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    Re: Sound card question for new Dell XPS 8700 (WAVE MAXXAudio4) 2015/06/28 13:13:47 (permalink)
    I've got an 8700 and disabled the included soundcard. The above is all good advice. I have a Focusrite 18i6 interface that works fine by the way.

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    Re: Sound card question for new Dell XPS 8700 (WAVE MAXXAudio4) 2015/06/28 13:51:33 (permalink)
    Guys,
    Thanks for the advice...I'll forego the onboard sound card, save the money and put it toward something external.
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    Re: Sound card question for new Dell XPS 8700 (WAVE MAXXAudio4) 2015/06/28 14:10:45 (permalink)
    You could probably save a bit (if you do not feel you need a new one), by buying second hand. Also depends on the amount of ins / out you need. Agree on the advice so far.
    Best of luck.

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    Re: Sound card question for new Dell XPS 8700 (WAVE MAXXAudio4) 2015/06/28 15:11:28 (permalink)
    Yep, 2 things would really help with advice - your budget and intended use (will 2 inputs/outputs do or do you want 24 of each (or anything in between))
    Also do you need Midi IO?
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    Re: Sound card question for new Dell XPS 8700 (WAVE MAXXAudio4) 2015/06/29 05:12:33 (permalink)
    Hi Bristol,
    2 I/Os will do. And, yes, need Midi I/O. My last sound card was an old M-Audio audiophile 192, which worked OK. But I found the software to be really not user friendly - as I'm not what you'd call and audiophile. Budgeting probably around $150 for a sound card. So will take the advice.
     
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    Re: Sound card question for new Dell XPS 8700 (WAVE MAXXAudio4) 2015/06/29 05:30:46 (permalink)
    I would check (incl.earlier brands mentioned) such as Focusrite, Presonus, Tascam, etc. They are all good options.
    Others may disagree, but I would go for Win7 (X64).

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    Re: Sound card question for new Dell XPS 8700 (WAVE MAXXAudio4) 2015/06/29 08:17:02 (permalink)
    Agree with Windows 7.

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    Re: Sound card question for new Dell XPS 8700 (WAVE MAXXAudio4) 2015/06/29 10:30:53 (permalink)
    I don't think it matters which you take, with Win10 coming the end of July. That said, I would pick Win7 simply because of the interface. Win10 is bringing the Start button back, so why struggle for a month with the Metro interface of Win8, only to get our love-to-hate but used-to Windoze interface?
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    Re: Sound card question for new Dell XPS 8700 (WAVE MAXXAudio4) 2015/06/29 11:02:01 (permalink)
    Whatever OS, just make its 64 bit. I have 8.1 and it works great.

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    Re: Sound card question for new Dell XPS 8700 (WAVE MAXXAudio4) 2015/06/29 11:45:04 (permalink)
    The only point about Win 7 is that a lot of the touch stuff doesn't work - pinch and roll, etc.
     
    But yea, I would get Win 7 and upgrade to 10.
     
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    Re: Sound card question for new Dell XPS 8700 (WAVE MAXXAudio4) 2015/06/29 12:24:09 (permalink)
    Win 8.1 that is coming with new PC's that do not have touch screens boot to the desktop, and very close to Win 7.  I've installed several new PC's for clients in the last couple of months and they all booted to the desktop.  
     
    I have Sonar Platinum on my dual boot system, Win 7/Win 8.1 and Sonar and my recording interfaces work equally well in either.  I have Win 10 Preview version installed on my backup PC and what tests I've done Sonar and my recording hardware all work OK. 
     
     

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    Re: Sound card question for new Dell XPS 8700 (WAVE MAXXAudio4) 2015/06/29 22:37:58 (permalink)
    After 10 minutes with W 8.1 you forget your using it. After all I turn on my DAW and open Sonar all within 30 sec. 

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