Anderton
The key is not to use the lassoo when dealing with song blocks that incorporate all tracks (which is what I need 95% of the time). I select all, then split at the beginning and end. Then I select all again, drag in the timeline, and have a keyboard shortcut to create a selection group. It takes longer to write about it than do it.

But if you copy special and paste, they will. You can also drag and drop, then copy only the markers and paste later. I do that a lot of there are pitch markers for acidized clips.

As to clicking and selecting all being a pain when trying to remove a clip from a group, that happens if you use the Smart Tool but if you use the Select Tool, you can just Ctrl-Click to select the clips you want to exempt, then use the context menu to remove them from the group.

I'm sure more elegant ways could be invented, but I'm so used to this workflow in Vegas (where I'm always moving large blocks of video, audio, and automation around), that it's second nature and the fact that SONAR works the same way makes it easy for me. But it's also important to use the right tool for the right job or it gets klunky.

Anderton
Now that I think about it, working with Clip selections isn't well-documented. I should probably do a video showing the workflow.

listen
Use what you like and like what you use!!!
 

Kylotan

mettelus
The matrix view will already loop cells, so as long as the column contents are multiples of each other, that is not an issue (2-bar loops can run with 4, 8 and such)

I was talking specifically about a situation where I have 2 different drum loops filling the same time period as 1 guitar loop - I don't think Matrix View has a way of handling that.
 

Anderton

Kylotan 
I sometimes do the Cut Special and Paste routine; but since I can't split everything at measure boundaries, it usually ends up a mess.

 
Sorry, I thought this was in the context of EDM, where there's usually quantization so splitting on boundaries isn't an issue. As I mentioned, if you split within MIDI notes, it gets messy.
 

Have you ever tried Adobe Premiere?

 
Yes, I wrote two Adobe "Classroom in a Book" projects for Peachpit press. Premiere seemed more convoluted to me than Vegas, but that's probably because Vegas is based on a DAW's workflow so it makes sense to me. However the integration between Adobe and Premiere was very cool.

Spencer
 
sigh. this forum's reputation on other forums is entirely deserved, I'll leave it at that.

dappa1
I agree with the demographic Sonar really caters for 40 + crowd and that is one reason why we are not on the cutting edge and the powers that be move slow to make it so. 
 
All the young people move with Ableton...FL Studios they seem to be the DAWs that real musicians flock to. Not saying they are not real musicians here. The think with old people is that they are usually set in their ways and new ideas are not embraced. That is probably what makes it hard for Sonar to be truly innovative they maybe scared to lose their customer base. But you can always have new customers who become your customer base and then you may start getting in there with the top three four DAWs that are out there now.
 
Sonar is good for the hobbyist obviously they maybe one or two who are professionals and can afford the really really good plug ins that we mere mortals will never be exposed to but still it doesn't mean that we are not able to make it, though it is a DAW for the more mature crowd. This is proved to be true when I view reviews on you tube they are no young people saying hey I use Sonar most of the videos are done by fifty yr old men and upward!

It could be better but that could be said of everything.

Beepster
The young electronic artists fully understand the advantages of having live instruments interspersed amongst the "zip, zaps, blaps" and "ooglety bloozles".