dappa1
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Saving files in the Sonar Grid???
Normally songs are saved in folders or in a windows folder. Wouldn't it be great if Sonar had its own file in a grid format...With headings Rock{ Pop{ Reggae{ Jazz{ project 1 John Wayne pub concert Bob Marley remix Miles Davies Jnr Bill gates demo Lord of the rings sound track Rosey cheeks Nemesis of a madman Donald trumps remix in a major Max bygraves finest hits In the pub again tried again Session 1 Session 2 Session 3 Session 4 Paul Jones davies Paul Jones junior Paul Jones Paul Jones Next Gen All this on a blue/greyish grid where you can find sessions (for lets say a group or an individual) that you have been working on maybe automatically dated but easy to find and locate instead of a windows drop down document list. When you open a project its all in the grid all you have to do is locate it within its genre. In the section under the project name you would have all the inserts listed and able to change the inserts (plug ins) from the open page and even demo the song from here also so you don't have to open the project. I think this would be a brilliant idea and easier to locate songs/projects that you have previously done. Tell me what you think (not sure if this is the right place for it but I think its a wonderful idea even if I say so myself)
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Re: Saving files in the Sonar Grid???
2015/07/01 15:16:41
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No use to me. If I want to be able to sort stuff I put a little code at the start of the file name so I can sort within Win explorer. Aside from that I've been using per project folders and I am becoming very meticulous with my folder usage in general. What I think WOULD be useful, and would probably serve the same function as you seem to want, is a file tagging scheme that relies on WIn explorer's inhereant capabilities. Have optional tags in the Save As dialog (with the ability to create custom tags). Then maybe instead of actually saving the project in subfolders based on those tags what it does is creates and puts a shortcut to the file(s) that have been tagged into a folder that can be referenced by Sonar. The actual project gets saved normally. So essentially there could be a "Tags" set of folders created in the main project folder (or separately or whatever) and whenever you tag something a link to the project goes there that references the original file. You create a new "tag" then it creates a new folder within the Tags folder and all projects using that tag gets tossed there. In the Quickstart menus there could be an extra option to peruse the Tagged folders and the projects within. Click on it then it references the original project. If you want to move or backup a specific file then you would open it normally via links and save to your new location. An extra complexity could be a backup feature for a tagged area where Sonar automagically references all the files being moved/backed up via the links (like say you wanted to backup your entire "reggae" works it would use the links that reference the files and send them where you want). However that would require some actually coding/programming whereas everything else could really just be done by Sonar creating new folders and links within Windows on demand (which it already does). But... with PPF and my own little naming schemes I do alright as it is. Just rambling really.
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Re: Saving files in the Sonar Grid???
2015/07/01 15:33:00
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☄ Helpfulby tlw 2015/07/02 10:22:09
Many times the date of creation or modification is more important to me than the genre, so being able to click on the Windows "Date Modified" column and see the date is great...or click on other categories, like "Artist" or "Company." Although for individual needs the grid thing could be cool, as a general-purpose organizational structure, it's hard to beat per-project folders and window headers where you can specify various fields.
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Re: Saving files in the Sonar Grid???
2015/07/01 15:44:57
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Yes indeed. Date is extremely useful and it ticks me off when Windows decides to remove that from the explorer window just because it's a wave (it wants to treat it like a media library entry). I use numbers, letters and descriptions in all my files as I work though. For example I needed to return to an earlier spot in a project because I had finished a MASSIVE swath of tracks that were bogging down the project. Finding the file that set "Start-Setup" allowed me to revert to a totally clean version I had set up and just import the finished tracks I had done. That got rid of all the superfluous gack I don't need anymore so I can now begin totally trashing this new version. lulzity...
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Re: Saving files in the Sonar Grid???
2015/07/01 17:26:39
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I also am pretty committed to the per-project folder structure so I wouldn't want to move away from that. But I like the idea of having some meta-data exposed in the Save dialog. And maybe have some search and filtering options in the Quick Start dialog. For me it should probably be tags on the folder rather than the .cwp file so they can be used more easily in the Windows Explorer.
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dappa1
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Re: Saving files in the Sonar Grid???
2015/07/01 17:32:10
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I think it would be more practical to have it in a grid doesn't mean you would lose your folders just a better structure.
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Beepster
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Re: Saving files in the Sonar Grid???
2015/07/01 17:44:52
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groovey1 I also am pretty committed to the per-project folder structure so I wouldn't want to move away from that. But I like the idea of having some meta-data exposed in the Save dialog. And maybe have some search and filtering options in the Quick Start dialog. For me it should probably be tags on the folder rather than the .cwp file so they can be used more easily in the Windows Explorer.
They are apparently working on some newfangled "Startscreen" thingie. I'm actually one of the (apparently) few who has retained that little Open dialog thingie popping up on my screen every time I open Sonar. I only use File > Open when I have to go digging. Otherwise 99% of the time I can get what I want from that little bubble. I'm a little concerned the new Startscreen is gonna annoy me with unnecessary crud but I'm also hopeful it might allow me to have more useful options than the my current trusty open bubble. Time will tell. I have no problems navigating to what I need in Windows Explorer these days (but it did take me some time to figure out where the frack this were initially) but really who wants to leave the warm, loving embrace of Sonar if they don't have to? Not this guy. dappa1 I think it would be more practical to have it in a grid doesn't mean you would lose your folders just a better structure.
I just ain't seein' it. Might be of use to some folks but I would disable something like that immediately. I don't categorize by genres. I mostly sort things by specific projects and people I'm working with... which could technically fit into your grid but I don't need or want a grid for that. If anything I'd want maybe what you are describing on a startscreen but collapsed into navigatable folders. Like click a dropdown that exposes a main directory then I can dig down to the specific project I want... from a start dialog. Bingo bango done. More options the better though if it helps others. Just as long as it doesn't bork out the program unnecessarily.
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dappa1
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Re: Saving files in the Sonar Grid???
2015/07/01 18:15:11
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Beepster I understand but lets explore this imagine your sessions grouped together or individuals you are working with having their very own grid where you can instantly play a file without opening it (preview) no folders to go searching through just big and bold on your screen marked in titles. drop down the songs in the selected grid and all those songs you are working on right there in that list with icon to show you the dates instant preview. Track to Stems so your songs ready to take to another studio. This would give you the opportunity to work fast, one click and all the songs info is there on your saved songs grid. I think this is the way forward for DAWS and Sonar would have the monopoly on such a function. Drop down the list to see what plug ins are being used on that track and change or up date them without opening the file. I really think this should be explored...it makes things quicker and easier to get to plus the feel of everything being in Sonar would make for a better working environment.
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dappa1
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Re: Saving files in the Sonar Grid???
2015/07/01 18:19:28
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Craig Anderton you could have both options folders and/or grid. I know I would appreciate such a function. When I have to go searching for songs and playing them over and over then messing up the order of my six seven songs in my file (those songs I am working on) but sometimes I want to sample other songs that I have made without having to open each file to reorder them in the file that drops down then find those six seven songs again. Its a waste of time! I could label the songs in the grid songs currently worked on and the next column songs 2014 need mixing
post edited by dappa1 - 2015/07/01 18:27:08
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dappa1
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Re: Saving files in the Sonar Grid???
2015/07/02 02:37:38
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It would be nice to find out what the staff at Cakewalk think. Is there a place to send ideas for updates and upgrades?
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Re: Saving files in the Sonar Grid???
2015/07/02 06:53:47
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Re: Saving files in the Sonar Grid???
2015/07/03 03:11:41
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Cakewalk have already discussed a new opening page with more information about projects etc. it's already in development. It's mentioned in the latest eZine. There's one published with every new release.
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Re: Saving files in the Sonar Grid???
2015/07/04 13:39:13
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Mike V it would be really good cos I have so many projects that I can't keep track of them all so once I make a folder and put each one in even when it goes to my open file in Sonar It only allows me to see six seven projects at a time when I open up a new project I lose the seventh one and have to go and try and find it again. If there was a grid this wouldn't happen I would just go to the header drop down a list in the grid and I'm right there with my songs or particular song that I need. I hate wading through the mess!!!
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Re: Saving files in the Sonar Grid???
2015/07/04 14:14:11
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This should be moved to the feature requests forum.
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Re: Saving files in the Sonar Grid???
2015/07/04 15:22:01
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It is an interesting idea... something along the lines of the sounds database that NI and others have implemented in their software synthesizers I imagine?
But there is a catch... one can tag files, but I do not know if Windows supports tagging directories. So that leaves us with a couple of options, neither of which would be terribly difficult to implement... and a Sonar project consists of a project file (or many versions of the project file) and all the audio files, and in some cases some of us store presets for synths and effects in that same folder. It gets ugly pretty quickly! IF windows supports something like ID3 tags for folders then tagging could be done at the project level (or so it would appear to the user) and at the folder level (as it appears to the OS), and explorer already provides the means to search and sort based on tags. If windows does not support ID3 tags for folders then we'd need Cakewalk to provide a chunk in the project file format that supported ID3 tags. Then we would need an additional tool to transparently search the Cakewalk Projects folder for project files, and display the meta-data for those files. But that's really just an extension to windows explorer, and that is pretty well documented and supported. (I built a quick PERL script to list all my projects by date, size or name, and it worked pretty well for a hack.) None of the above would interfere with the way that most of us store projects. Quick note to those that are curious - wave files support ID3 tagging. I forget what I needed to do to make it work, I think it was simply defaulting to broadcast wave files. It's handy - I can tag everything using any ID3 tagging tool!
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Keni
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Re: Saving files in the Sonar Grid???
2015/07/04 15:36:36
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He current implementation works just fine for me too...
I have always loved the per-project folder system.
I find it easy enough so that I can group song folders within an album folder within a band folder...
...or any projects other than these are handled relatively the same. I always find things with no effort!
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Re: Saving files in the Sonar Grid???
2015/07/04 15:43:16
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I agree Keni - the current system works. My request (in the request forum) is a sign that I have become incredibly lazy... if paths were persistent it would save a couple steps.
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Keni
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Re: Saving files in the Sonar Grid???
2015/07/04 16:05:34
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wst3 I agree Keni - the current system works. My request (in the request forum) is a sign that I have become incredibly lazy... if paths were persistent it would save a couple steps.
I can appreciate that wst3... ;-) I find it is as persistent as I need. It always opens to my master folder where I create whatever mother folders to accomplish easy access... I doubt I would ever need to "find all reggae" or such... But I can see that some might so I'm not against this kind of idea as long as it doesn't interfere with my very comfortable method... Though I would rather the efforts be put into something more akin to my needs such as solving some lanes/zooming issues... ;-) Keni
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dappa1
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Re: Saving files in the Sonar Grid???
2015/07/05 11:48:35
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Its not laziness on my part I used the folders before and lost a tun of audio. So i'm hesitant to make folders and change files over to them. Some Audio I lost some files with certain plug ins won't work. So these old folders do not work for me.
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Keni
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Re: Saving files in the Sonar Grid???
2015/07/05 14:20:09
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dappa1 Its not laziness on my part I used the folders before and lost a tun of audio. So i'm hesitant to make folders and change files over to them. Some Audio I lost some files with certain plug ins won't work. So these old folders do not work for me.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean, but if you use this system with its defaults, all your project audio is in its unique folder... If you do nothing to change/alter that, nothing should be lost!
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dappa1
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Re: Saving files in the Sonar Grid???
2015/07/06 06:00:45
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That's exactly what I thought. Some audio went AWOL then some instruments turned up but are now forever muted. I'm hesitant to use folders again.
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Re: Saving files in the Sonar Grid???
2015/07/06 06:10:58
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AFAIK, the only way audio would go missing would be if you did a "Save As" to another location and neglected to check "Copy audio With Project" Either that or the files were deleted via Windows Explorer
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Re: Saving files in the Sonar Grid???
2015/07/06 07:22:58
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Could you not use Windows 7+ Libraries to achive this?
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dappa1
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Re: Saving files in the Sonar Grid???
2015/07/06 12:38:22
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Bristol no I didn't save as that would be ridiculous not only did some audio go missing but as I said some plug ins stopped working on those particular tracks, I am on windows 8.1 Kperry. It's obvious windows is not working out plus Windows folders are dated it needs an overall!!!
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