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2015/07/02 00:06:49 (permalink)

What's your favorite mastering limiter?

What is your favorite mastering limiter and why? Have you tried various products and decided to keep one over the others?
My idea of a good mastering limiter is one that makes the music louder and tries to retain the transients.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/02 04:55:57 (permalink)
I'm in love with the Ozone 6 package meself.

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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/02 06:03:16 (permalink)
Ozone.
Using a limiter one must not leave too much work for it. It should be more like the last gate keeper.
AFAIK and IMO the basic loudness must be created on the way: arrangement, volume automation, per track compression. If the desired loudness of your track depends mainly on the limiter, the chances for a good result aren't big, I believe,.

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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/02 06:46:05 (permalink)
LimiterNo.6. It's the most transparent of the several I've tried and own. I like to have Pro-L behind it for the metering and extra isp protection.

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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/02 07:04:53 (permalink)
I am just a hobbist, I use Ozone 6.
 
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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/02 11:06:36 (permalink)
Lately, it seems I have been using BT Brickwall Limiter BW2S XP as the last thing in my chain.
Sometimes, if the levels really need it, I will use Boost 11 before it , so I just get any stray peaks knocked down with the BW2S.
A typical master bus Fx chain for me is (Boost 11)> LP-64 EQ (to notch out any weird rings that you might get from stacking up tracks)> then the Blue tube Brick Wall. Nice thing about this setup is you already have all these in your arsenal. Doesn't work for every mix, but if I'm generally happy where everything is sitting, it let's me safely up the levels and has a nice punchiness to it.

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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/02 11:08:09 (permalink)
totally agree with Kalle.
 
 

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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/02 11:26:48 (permalink)
I export and pull it into har-bal. The limiting you can do in har-bal is totally different and works more like "riding the faders" than true limiting. Not too many use har-bal or maybe never did. It was a bit controversial at one point.
 
But I've learned how to use it and I like it for getting the loudness and final EQ right.
 
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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/02 11:54:06 (permalink)
It depends a lot on the style of the song. For most of my own stuff, I'd be perfectly happy to use any old limiter that happened to be on hand. Seriously. When it's only chopping a few peaks here and there, and you don't set your brickwall right up to 0dB, it really doesn't matter which limiter you use. Heresy, I know. There's so much mystery - and strong opinions - surrounding limiters that's mostly unwarranted.
 
The exception is genres that rely on the limiter to smash the daylights out of a song. In that case, the limiter is touching the sound constantly, so even small differences in how it processes peaks can result in significant changes to the overall sound. 
 
It's really kind of silly to expect a limiter to "preserve" peaks, when its very reason for existence is to beat peaks into submission. But there are some limiters that manage to mitigate the damage by analyzing the incoming material in order to calculate the optimum release time. Ozone is the best at this that I know of, though I'm told that Voxengo Elephant is its equal (if not as easy to use).
 
Pro-L, in addition to calculating program-dependent release times, also takes a novel approach to the attack phase, separating the transient portion from the rest of the peak and processing the two parts with different algorithms. It also has a "Dynamic" mode that applies a transient enhancer prior to limiting, so that even though the peak still gets chopped, the waveform at least rises to that peak more steeply.
 
If you don't use the limiter as an effect but rather as a safety mechanism, then don't waste your money on a boutique limiter. Instead, use a cheap or free plugin such as Limiter No. 6 or TB Barricade, or SONAR's own limiter (just stay away from Boost11).
 
I you want to smash the daylights out of a track or sub-bus, the free LoudMax limiter will do the job. The smash-everything crowd seems to like it on the master as well, but I wouldn't know about that.


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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/02 12:16:54 (permalink)
i use WAVES L2.
 
it works really well.
 

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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/02 12:39:36 (permalink)
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just stay away from Boost11



Hey Bit, just curious if you could expand on the above comment. I've not used boost11 much, but have put it on a track here or there just to nip the top peaks, maybe limiting by 1.5db overall or something. I typically don't use it to boost anything, just clip some top peaks.

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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/02 12:41:17 (permalink)
I have a lot of choices in my bag. For the last year I have preferred Melda productions Multiband limiter.

Still, I probably use concrete limiter as often as anything. I totally agree with bit.

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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/02 12:56:31 (permalink)
I use Nugen ISL2...it's the best limiter I've used...and I've used a lot...

But it's PRICEY...$229...you can get the new one, the ISL2st, which
is only Stereo, for $99...


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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/02 13:53:41 (permalink)
The Bit man makes great points here.  If you're not trying to eke out the last tiny bit of loudness, the choice of limiter isn't that critical.  But when extra loudness is an objective, the limiter can change the sound for better or worse.
 
I find that by using two or even three stages of gentle bus compression before the final limiter, I can usually get the sound I want, loud enough but preserving dynamics, without working the limiter very much.  It just catches any remaining peaks before they turn into overs.  If I do want to get aggressive, my limiter of choice is the AOM Invisible Limiter.  It preserves the punch and imparts a sense of weight that other limiters I've tried can't match (and I've tried a bunch).  It's great for rock or EDM -- I'd say it's worth trying on your own material to see if it's a good fit. 
 
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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/02 14:16:05 (permalink)
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i use WAVES L2.
 
it works really well.
 


Also L2 on master 1-3 db max (L1 on tracks)
Lim #6 is great for tracks with problematic transients, you can squash them real hard.
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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/02 16:48:34 (permalink)
While Bit (as usual) is mostly correct about those dern limiters and their uses I still maintain that quite a lot of them as with almost any other plug have their own unique "sound" when applied.  If you listen close enough.  And that subtle difference can really impact your track.  I use different limiters depending on style of music and, as alluded above, whether I just need to catch a few peaks or squash the livin bejezus out of it.
 
That said...I've recently taken a shine to the ease of use and great sound of the Rob Chiarelli line.  Cheap and yummy.

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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/03 10:04:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby olemon 2015/07/03 10:53:53
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just stay away from Boost11



Hey Bit, just curious if you could expand on the above comment. I've not used boost11 much, but have put it on a track here or there just to nip the top peaks, maybe limiting by 1.5db overall or something. I typically don't use it to boost anything, just clip some top peaks.


You are using Boost11 exactly how it's best applied: gently. Catching just the highest peaks and applying no more than 1-2 dB reduction, Boost11 does just fine. It doesn't do as well when pushed hard.
 
The problem I have with Boost11 is that its coarse graphical display encourages over-compression. By the time you lower the threshold to where the display shows that something is clearly happening, you've already gone too far.


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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/03 12:30:39 (permalink)
Great info as always bit. Thanks for that. I find boost11 the easiest to do just what you're saying. When I do use it, here's what I do:
 
- Play all the way through and set the channel level where I get maybe 1.5 to 2 db in the red for the peak that shows next to the meters.
 
- Insert boost11, turn the "boost" side down to 0 and pretty much leave the output side to the default which I think is like -0.1 or something. 
 
That allows me to get the channel or bus to max volume without really any compression and keeping the peaks from distorting.
 
If I want compression, I always use har-bal after I export it for pushing the level on a song that needs that sort of thing.

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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/03 12:30:41 (permalink)
Great info as always bit. Thanks for that. I find boost11 the easiest to do just what you're saying. When I do use it, here's what I do:
 
- Play all the way through and set the channel level where I get maybe 1.5 to 2 db in the red for the peak that shows next to the meters.
 
- Insert boost11, turn the "boost" side down to 0 and pretty much leave the output side to the default which I think is like -0.1 or something. 
 
That allows me to get the channel or bus to max volume without really any compression and keeping the peaks from distorting.
 
If I want compression, I always use har-bal after I export it for pushing the level on a song that needs that sort of thing.

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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/03 13:17:13 (permalink)
I nowadays use Slate FG-X as my limiter. I prefer the sound of it over others at the moment. Though if I had the cash I'd probably grab the L3 series maximizers from Waves...
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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/04 09:16:42 (permalink)
I use Prochannel Concrete Limiter on the master, sometimes Ozone 6 Limiter
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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/04 11:11:34 (permalink)
Slate fg-x here.

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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/04 18:26:51 (permalink)
I've already mentioned LimiterNo,6 as being my favorite, but I also use the Concrete Limiter, TB Barricade, T-Racks Brickwall, and fab Filter Pro-L. There are so many good ones out there and you certainly don't have to spend a thing to get great quality. I sent in a donation for LimiterNo.6 since I use it the most.
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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/04 21:56:06 (permalink)
The Cakewalk Concrete Limiter prochannel plugin works real nice, particularly with it's "moar bass" switch. Have to buy it extra, of course, but it seems to do pretty well and is easy to use.
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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/04 23:09:14 (permalink)
When I want my rock tunes to be LOUD I use Slate FG-X. Otherwise on the master I use Ozone 5.
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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/05 00:10:28 (permalink)
I have the Ozone limiter, Slate's FG-X, and Sonnox's limiter as well. I enjoy dynamics in music so I'm not typically using the limiter to get any loudness war average levels. I have to say that the Sonnox level can squeeze a lot of level out of the signal without distorting too much. The Ozone limiter doesn't seem to able to keep up with the Sonnox limiter in that regard. That being said, you can get a little more level out of the Ozone limiter with some adjustments of the Character, Intelligent Release styles etc... I haven't tried the FG-X extensively as I need to get a little comfortable with some of its controls.
 
In any case, I don't push my limiters that hard so all of those limiters handle the job I need quite well.
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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/05 01:03:41 (permalink)
Waves L3-16. The priority function is something not to pass up. The myriad of Release characteristics is divine as well. The EQ function of the L3-16 is Linear-Phase and quite good for subtle/broad adjustments. 

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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/05 01:56:17 (permalink)
I've got a couple of limiters but since getting Pro-L I'm sticking to that, for no other reason than I like all of the FabFilter stuff, with their great GUI and excellent video tutorials.

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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/05 07:55:48 (permalink)
No one has mentioned really the ultimate limiter yet.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
PSP Xenon
 
 
 
More control than most limiters especially how transients can sound.
 
 
Watch out, some limiters are only good in certain genres. Waves being one of them. (L1 and L2, have not used L3 so not sure on that one) They tend to crunch a bit. No good for pure transparent sound. Might be good for rock but we don't always do rock.
 
 
 
 
Boost 11 is the worst limiter ever invented. Even doing light duties just catching peaks it distorts the mix to my ears.  Don't ruin your fantastic mix as Bit puts it through any old limiter you have lying around. You are doing yourself a real disservice.
 
 
 
 
 
It is the final link in the chain. Be careful. Maintain mix integrity.
 
 
 
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Re: What's your favorite mastering limiter? 2015/07/05 08:44:24 (permalink)
Xenon is sold on KVR all the time for less the $100...





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