hybrid ssd or ssd ?

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2014/05/01 07:17:55 (permalink)

hybrid ssd or ssd ?

I'm still running all sata drives and have been waiting for affordable sdd drives but still feel they are a little over priced.
One major thing that put me off is that unlike disk drives, when ssd drives fail there is no warning whatsoever and retrieving data is expensive.
 
So, what's the view on the hybrid drives ? Do you get any warning that they might be failing.
Are they silent or at least a lot quieter than my sata drives. I'm sure ssd drives will give better performance
but the hybrid drives claim to be 4 times faster which is still very good.
 
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    Re: hybrid ssd or ssd ? 2014/05/01 09:15:06 (permalink)
    just go ssd they are more than cheap enough now. hybrids were never any better than standard.
    unless you are doing lots of samples an ssd is pointless anyway
    if you back up like you should a dead drive is no biggy

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    Re: hybrid ssd or ssd ? 2014/05/01 11:21:33 (permalink)
    jcschild
    just go ssd they are more than cheap enough now. hybrids were never any better than standard.
    unless you are doing lots of samples an ssd is pointless anyway
    if you back up like you should a dead drive is no biggy




    Thanks for the advice Skott
     
    I don't know how much they sell for in the US but here in the UK if I were to replace my 500GB sata 6 OS drive
    for an equivalent SSD drive comparatively speaking the cheapest SSD drives I have found are about an extra £100.
    In my experience the cheapest are often a waste of money.
     
    I have a 1 tb drive for drums and a 500GB drive for other samples so that would cost a minimum of between £300 - £400 to replace them.
     
    Sadly I'm not made of money and am currently unemployed so times is tough which is why I was contemplating the hybrid drives as an option. I'm just wondering how much of an improvement they would be over what I currently have.
     
     
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    Re: hybrid ssd or ssd ? 2014/05/01 13:46:30 (permalink)
    how many gig total are your samples as that's the only thing that matters, OS ssd is nice but doesn't improve audio performance
     
    only SSDs I recommend are
    Intel, Samsung, and Crucial

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    Re: hybrid ssd or ssd ? 2014/05/01 19:08:22 (permalink)
    The drum library drive is 1tb but only 400GB have been used.
    My other sample drive is a 500GB drive which is just over half full.
     
    I've always been led to believe that once a disk drive gets to around 75% full the performance decreases quite badly so you should never let them get over 75% full.
    So can the same be said of ssd drives ?
     
     
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    Re: hybrid ssd or ssd ? 2014/05/02 09:02:21 (permalink)
    its 65% for standard sata drives.
    SSD is more like 90-95%
    a single Samsung SSD is all you need for your samples.
    skip the ssd for OS

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    Re: hybrid ssd or ssd ? 2014/05/04 08:20:15 (permalink)
    I can't find any 1TB internal 3.5 SSD drives on line.
     
    They all seem to be 2.5. I'm not sure if I can connect 2.5 drives in my machine ?
    I was thinking of a 2 TB drive but it seems that 1TB is the largest and they seem to be  £300 and upwards.
     
     
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    Re: hybrid ssd or ssd ? 2014/05/05 02:08:58 (permalink)
    When does HDD warn you it's about to fail?
     
    ...just asking...
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    Re: hybrid ssd or ssd ? 2014/05/05 06:32:51 (permalink)
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    When does HDD warn you it's about to fail?
     
    ...just asking...




     
    Usually it starts performing badly and the most obvious sign is a clicking noise from the drive.
    Sometimes you'll get read or write errors when trying to copy data to the drive and windows might report bad sectors and ask you to scan the drive before booting or on next boot but I think its less frequent for windows to do that although it has happened to me in the past.
     
     
    I've had two drives that went that way, one of them was a usb drive in a caddy and quite often it wouldn't show up when windows booted or would just disappear. This went on for quite a few months before I asked someone about it they said to back everything up while I could and replace it.
     
    SSD drives don't have any moving parts so there isn't the slow disintegration but that's not to say that sata and ide drives  don't occasionally just go poof without warning.
     
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    Re: hybrid ssd or ssd ? 2014/05/05 08:08:41 (permalink)
    Not sure that you are going to find any 3.5" SSD drives anywhere. If you only have a 3.5" bay open, use a 2.5 -> 3.5 carrier/converter. They are usually around $10-15.
     
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    Re: hybrid ssd or ssd ? 2014/05/05 09:15:57 (permalink)
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    Not sure that you are going to find any 3.5" SSD drives anywhere. If you only have a 3.5" bay open, use a 2.5 -> 3.5 carrier/converter. They are usually around $10-15.
     
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    Thanks for that Dan
    Wasn't sure if I could use the 2.5 ones but if there's a converter that's good to know.
     
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    Re: hybrid ssd or ssd ? 2014/05/10 09:02:21 (permalink)
    The OCZ Vertex 4 SSD drive I have came with an adapter.  Didn't have to buy anything extra to install it.
     
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    Re: hybrid ssd or ssd ? 2014/06/03 22:32:37 (permalink)
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    When does HDD warn you it's about  http:// to fail?
     
    ...just asking...




    If your drive and Mobo report SMART status, you will likely get a warning at boot. I just built a system and one of the mechanical drives was bad. A SMART warning came up on boot. Drive has been RMA'd :-(
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    Re: hybrid ssd or ssd ? 2015/06/29 16:11:10 (permalink)
    a little off topic, but what do you even do with 400GB worth of drum samples? That's like having 100 acoustic guitars to choose from. Which one do you choose?
     

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    Re: hybrid ssd or ssd ? 2015/06/29 20:14:28 (permalink)
    Mirrored hard drives and external backups every time. Total peace of mind.

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    Re: hybrid ssd or ssd ? 2015/06/30 08:28:34 (permalink)
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    a little off topic, but what do you even do with 400GB worth of drum samples? That's like having 100 acoustic guitars to choose from. Which one do you choose?
     




    The one that fits the current song you are working on. Seriously, the newer drum libraries are huge. It doesn't take many kits before you get to 400GB...
     
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    Re: hybrid ssd or ssd ? 2015/06/30 09:00:49 (permalink)
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    a little off topic, but what do you even do with 400GB worth of drum samples? That's like having 100 acoustic guitars to choose from. Which one do you choose?
     




    The one that fits the current song you are working on. Seriously, the newer drum libraries are huge. It doesn't take many kits before you get to 400GB...
     
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    Re: hybrid ssd or ssd ? 2015/06/30 09:05:10 (permalink)
    BTW...to the OP....SSD...hands down...Hybrids are kind of "in between" but nowhere
    near the performance of an SSD.

    I have 2 128 Gb SSD's and my operating system runs on one.  From boot to login in about 7 seconds...

    If you can go the long dollar it's nice to have your samples on an SSD...they load really fast that way..
    You can get a 500 Gb SSD for less the $200 now...and a 1TB for about $300...


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    Re: hybrid ssd or ssd ? 2015/07/03 17:54:23 (permalink)
    http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/ultrabook-performance-degrades-time-samsung-tlc-ssd/
    Not sure what others have seen but apparently some SSD performance disappears with time, for some brands.  Samsung is named in this article but could be others as well.  I have considered moving to SSD but laziness and tech concerns hold me back.

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    Re: hybrid ssd or ssd ? 2015/07/03 18:03:02 (permalink)
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    a little off topic, but what do you even do with 400GB worth of drum samples? That's like having 100 acoustic guitars to choose from. Which one do you choose?
     




     
    Nope.  Just Spitfire's Hans Zimmer London (volume 1 of 3) is 200GB.
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    Re: hybrid ssd or ssd ? 2015/07/03 19:38:24 (permalink)
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    http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/ultrabook-performance-degrades-time-samsung-tlc-ssd/
    Not sure what others have seen but apparently some SSD performance disappears with time, for some brands.  Samsung is named in this article but could be others as well.  I have considered moving to SSD but laziness and tech concerns hold me back.




    That is an interesting article. SSDs do require specific setup and maintenance precautions, since what degrades them the most is intense write operations. Being aware of this and researching how to properly set one up is important for longevity.
     
    I got a Patriot Wildfire 240GB four years ago and just reformatted/rebuilt this machine and benchmarked it after it was fully loaded. It has slipped about 10% in 4 years, but is now on par with its benchmark (was faster then).
     
    One thing of note is that excessive heat (same as the excessive writes) will degrade electronics more quickly, so a "laptop" application will see even more heat (mine is in a desktop). This would also be something to consider with using one, but the read/write speeds of pretty much any SSD will put a HDD to shame - no moving parts.
     
    I did find it interesting that none of the Samsung 850's were mentioned in that article. Another interesting item is that the smaller (128/256) 850 EVO outruns the 850 PRO (I thought the PRO was the top of the line model, but not looked at Samsung in a while).
     
    http://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/high_end_drives.html
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    Re: hybrid ssd or ssd ? 2015/07/04 10:31:53 (permalink)
    Thanks for reviving this thread, guys. It's reminded me that I've been on the fence regarding SSDs (cost/benefit ratio is improving but still barely justifiable) and has prompted me to once again evaluate whether or not it's time to make the move.
     
     
    Sadly, the answer is still "no" for me. Much as I'd love to be loading samples from a solid-state drive, I cannot yet justify the cost. A decent-performing 1TB SSD can now be had for $400. But that's 4x the price of a quality 1TB mechanical drive. Too much just to load Kontakt libraries faster.
     


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    Re: hybrid ssd or ssd ? 2015/07/04 13:02:53 (permalink)
    I have a 1TB HHD with an SSD cache which I use for my third party Kontakt libraries. It does provide a noticable improvment in loading recently used libraries (ie still on the cache). Of course for ones that have not been used for a while there is no uplift.
     
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    I've been keeping my eyes on Samsung EVOs lately which have been on constant sale. I'm probably going to pick up a 500GB one soon but not sure if I want to wait and get a EVO Pro which has a 10 year warranty or not. They are still pushing about $250 so it's a little higher on the price chart but they are also faster than their standard EVO series as well.
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    Re: hybrid ssd or ssd ? 2015/07/05 12:49:45 (permalink)
    One thing to be aware of (since I didn't even realize they existed), is there are now SSDs that plug into PCIe 3 slots (which I do not have). Samsung designates these as "M.2" in the title, and their speeds are through the roof (around 3x their SATA counterparts), but they are not "chop and swap" for a SATA drive.

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    Re: hybrid ssd or ssd ? 2015/07/10 15:36:29 (permalink)
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    a little off topic, but what do you even do with 400GB worth of drum samples? That's like having 100 acoustic guitars to choose from. Which one do you choose?
     




     
    Nope.  Just Spitfire's Hans Zimmer London (volume 1 of 3) is 200GB.


    I get it. I looked up Hans Zimmer's stuff with spitfire. I came to two conclusions
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