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Craig's EDM loops?? [Now with Audio Demo from Craig]
Will update this weekend, but something I am very interested in. Not necessarily for EDM music, but all this trans-gender music nowadays!! But seriously, I'm anxious to give 'em a whirl.
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Re: Craig's EDM loops??
2015/07/02 22:46:19
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The tambourine loops are pretty straightforward, the electro ones are really whacked, and the percussion ones are in between. Any tambourine parts you've heard on the songs on my YouTube channel use these loops. Have fun!
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Re: Craig's EDM loops??
2015/07/03 01:51:06
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☄ Helpfulby jb101 2015/07/03 05:23:22
mixmkr
Will update this weekend, but something I am very interested in. Not necessarily for EDM music, but all this trans-gender music nowadays!! But seriously, I'm anxious to give 'em a whirl.
Did you mean trans genre music?
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Re: Craig's EDM loops??
2015/07/03 10:46:27
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☄ Helpfulby charlyg 2015/07/03 19:59:33
Another safety tip not to drink hot coffee when reading the forums...
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Re: Craig's EDM loops??
2015/07/03 12:05:59
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Another safety tip not to drink hot coffee when reading the forums...
Yes indeed! And you should know, because a couple of your posts have been the cause of damage to my keyboard... 
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Re: Craig's EDM loops??
2015/07/03 19:42:23
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mixmkr
Will update this weekend, but something I am very interested in. Not necessarily for EDM music, but all this trans-gender music nowadays!! But seriously, I'm anxious to give 'em a whirl.
Did you mean trans genre music?
Ahhh - I was wondering what he was talking about ... quite a specific demographic - lol.
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Re: Craig's EDM loops??
2015/07/03 19:54:12
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Re: Craig's EDM loops??
2015/07/03 22:13:54
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mixmkr
Will update this weekend, but something I am very interested in. Not necessarily for EDM music, but all this trans-gender music nowadays!! But seriously, I'm anxious to give 'em a whirl.
Did you mean trans genre music?
Actually no...I thought my "description" was a tad more current. :-D I can see it now... court rules combining tambourine with tribal loops to be "legal" in all instances...even if they're two banjo players that double on accordions that live together in the same band house....
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Re: Craig's EDM loops??
2015/07/04 04:01:55
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Where can I find these loops?
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Re: Craig's EDM loops??
2015/07/04 04:14:08
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Where can I find these loops?
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Re: Craig's EDM loops??
2015/07/04 04:25:19
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My apologies to Craig. I wouldn't use these loops in any EDM context. They are way too regular, no groove or insanity. The whole point of using loops in a track is to hack out the bits that interfere and grab the stuff that makes the track groove. If the loop doesn't groove, all the sound effects in the world won't make it worth putting in a track. Maybe I'm not listening closely enough to them. I don't mean to be a jerk but I think these loops are missing the point. That being said, the effort is appreciated.
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Re: Craig's EDM loops??
2015/07/04 11:44:54
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My apologies to Craig. I wouldn't use these loops in any EDM context. They are way too regular, no groove or insanity. The whole point of using loops in a track is to hack out the bits that interfere and grab the stuff that makes the track groove. If the loop doesn't groove, all the sound effects in the world won't make it worth putting in a track.
Maybe I'm not listening closely enough to them. I don't mean to be a jerk but I think these loops are missing the point.
That being said, the effort is appreciated.
First of all, as explained in the eZine, the tambourine loops are designed for all types of music, as are the electronic percussion ones. The Electro ones are the "pure" EDM loops. However with the current trend to integrating traditional instruments with EDM, the tambourine and percussion can be useful there as well, hence the title. Second, did you actually try them in context? Remember, they are PERCUSSION loops. Layer them with primary loops; as specified in the folder title, their main application is electro, which doesn't groove a whole lot. However, in this context they should not have a groove because I have no idea what groove you're using for your main loop. And of course you can impart a groove to these loops with AudioSnap. Because the grooves are so regular, the transient markers go in predictable places, and can therefore adapt to whatever groove you want without problems. If there's a "built-in" groove, the process of imparting the groove of your choice becomes a whole lot more complicated. The regular nature, and included REX file format, also means that with any REX player where you can drag the MIDI file into a track (e.g., RXP), you can move the MIDI notes around to create any groove you want and even modify the entire loop substantially. From a tech standpoint, these loops are designed in such a way to provide lots of options for people who know how to be creative with loops.
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Re: Craig's EDM loops??
2015/07/04 12:08:25
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Okay, I put together a quick demo (link is good for 7 days) so you can understand how these percussion loops work in context. The first two and last two measures are a typical electro house-type loop (but at a trance tempo). Every two measures after the beginning, I've inserted a different loop from the library.
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Re: Craig's EDM loops??
2015/07/04 12:15:47
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It sounds like EDM to me. But then what do I know?
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Re: Craig's EDM loops??
2015/07/04 16:28:20
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It sounds like EDM to me. But then what do I know?
I agree, I fail to hear how these loops can't be creatively used in any EDM context. Cheers, Billy Buck
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Re: Craig's EDM loops??
2015/07/04 18:39:34
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I liked Craig's demo. I especially like the tambourine, but I'm like Chirstopher Walken and the cowbell when it comes to tambourine.
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Re: Craig's EDM loops??
2015/07/05 02:49:04
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First of all, as explained in the eZine, the tambourine loops are designed for all types of music, as are the electronic percussion ones. The Electro ones are the "pure" EDM loops. However with the current trend to integrating traditional instruments with EDM, the tambourine and percussion can be useful there as well, hence the title.
Second, did you actually try them in context? Remember, they are PERCUSSION loops. Layer them with primary loops; as specified in the folder title, their main application is electro, which doesn't groove a whole lot. However, in this context they should not have a groove because I have no idea what groove you're using for your main loop. And of course you can impart a groove to these loops with AudioSnap. Because the grooves are so regular, the transient markers go in predictable places, and can therefore adapt to whatever groove you want without problems. If there's a "built-in" groove, the process of imparting the groove of your choice becomes a whole lot more complicated.
The regular nature, and included REX file format, also means that with any REX player where you can drag the MIDI file into a track (e.g., RXP), you can move the MIDI notes around to create any groove you want and even modify the entire loop substantially. From a tech standpoint, these loops are designed in such a way to provide lots of options for people who know how to be creative with loops.
It's all good, my comments were not intended to be a personal attack. It was a critique and an opinion. As I said, the effort is much appreciated. EDM genres and trends change fast and unless that's all you do, it's difficult to keep up. These days Krewella sounds like Jimmy Eat World, Calvin Harris puts guitar tracks on his collaborations with Ellie Goulding (she tours with a band), Avicii and Zedd are exploring country, and Armin van Buuren is touring with a band (sort of). Hell, even Deadmou5 is taking a break from EDM. The audience gets jaded quickly. The progressive house tracks I did last year are now hopelessly outdated. Everyone has moved to Deep House and beyond. Uptown Funk anyone? The hardest part, and your chosen occupation, is to anticipate these trends and create something that will work for the next generation and that's really freaking hard. The entire reason for my post was to point that out. It's not last year, it's next year. Personally, I think you should get a really good drummer to play the parts you wrote and use the drum replacer to create some mahem. Now THAT would be interesting. Best
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Re: Craig's EDM loops??
2015/07/05 04:03:40
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But Tom ... Aren't these the lower level percussive building blocks for you to make whatever you like? Isn't it up to creative individuals to produce something that has mass appeal (if that's their aim), whether they anticipate it or stumble upon it, and hence forge trends rather than Craig/'Loop Shops' telling us what the next big thing is going to be? Marry them with Punk and beat Avicii to the next best thing. Avicii happened to have 2 massive worldwide hits (Hey Brother, Wake Me Up) because he was first (maybe not(?)) to mix in some country/bluegrass, used it as the basis for his groove, added some risers/drops and anthemic horns/synth. He even used the same formula for both. Who's to say it wouldn't work again(?) (it probably also had a good deal to do with his talent, existing status/fanbase, marketing ... and a big chunk of luck) Avicii - Hey Brother: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cp6mKbRTQYAvicii - Wake Me Up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcrbM1l_BoI
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Re: Craig's EDM loops??
2015/07/05 04:31:00
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But Tom ...
Aren't these the lower level percussive building blocks for you to make whatever you like?
Isn't it up to creative individuals to produce something that has mass appeal (if that's their aim), whether they anticipate it or stumble upon it, and hence forge trends rather than Craig/'Loop Shops' telling us what the next big thing is going to be? Marry them with Punk and beat Avicii to the next best thing.
Avicii happened to have 2 massive worldwide hits (Hey Brother, Wake Me Up) because he was first (maybe not(?)) to mix in some country/bluegrass, used it as the basis for his groove, added some risers/drops and anthemic horns/synth. He even used the same formula for both. Who's to say it wouldn't work again(?)
(it probably also had a good deal to do with his talent, existing status/fanbase, marketing ... and a big chunk of luck)
Avicii - Hey Brother:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cp6mKbRTQY
Avicii - Wake Me Up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcrbM1l_BoI
Excellent commentary. Thanks. I agree with your analysis, most of the chart toppers do not use loops. AFAICT Avicii doesn't use loops in any of his work (In The Studio, etc). It's all pretty much programmed from scratch. From what I've seen, loops are mostly used for trance these days. Maybe I've downloaded too many Live templates. :) Here's another one: https://youtu.be/_ovdm2yX4MA
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Re: Craig's EDM loops??
2015/07/05 12:39:34
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☄ Helpfulby konradh 2015/07/05 15:49:17
Well next time, I'll check with the EDM police to determine what's hip at the moment and what's not. You gave plenty of examples of EDM artists stretching beyond the conventional boundaries, eschewing loops, and integrating more conventional instruments, which of course was the hot topic at the IMS in Ibiza (which is why I was asked to be on a panel regarding the subject). Interestingly, all the loops were derived from tambourine sounds, so they fit right into adapting traditional instruments in an EDM context. It doesn't matter whether you like or want to use the loops, but one of the reasons I got heavily into EDM back in the 90s was because the community seemed more open-minded...DJs had no problem jamming with me on guitar, but guitarists had a hard time accepting jamming with DJs. I knew which side was more interested in exploration. It just strikes me as condescending to say the loops are "missing the point" but "the effort is appreciated," which at least to me comes across "these loops suck because you know nothing about EDM, but thanks for trying to fake it." FWIW in 1981 I gave a paper at the Audio Engineering Society on what I called "synchro-sonic recording," which foretold and defined the rise of the type of electronic dance music that hit in full force many years later (and which we're still listening to today, over 30 years later). I've been doing a solo EDM act that blends guitar, loops, live mixing, and vocals since 1998. I'm not a tourist, nor am I slumming. I'm not interested in doing what other people are doing...they're already doing it, so I don't need to. Loops are used for a lot more than EDM, like commercials, soundtracks, and presentations. I don't care about fashion; creative people will use tools creatively. I create what I need for the music I want to make. I make those tools available to others. Right now I'm doing music that's heavily rock-influenced but with a lot of electronics...I'm restless. It's always time to do something different. As I said in my address at the New Music Seminar, the only advice I give people is to be true to themselves...because if they are and are successful, they'll always be successful. If they achieve success through calculation, they'll have to keep calculating for the rest of their lives.
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Re: Craig's EDM loops??
2015/07/05 22:51:58
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Anderton
Okay, I put together a quick demo (link is good for 7 days) so you can understand how these percussion loops work in context. The first two and last two measures are a typical electro house-type loop (but at a trance tempo). Every two measures after the beginning, I've inserted a different loop from the library.
I like it !!
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Re: Craig's EDM loops??
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Ok..took me a 1/2 hr to upgrade to Foxboro... time to eat a PB & J.... and Craig's loops add a nice touch to the kind of music I make a lot of the time. Two tambos...split left/right really tickle the ears in the cans. Thx Craig!
I've really enjoyed the Cake content. Now I need to justify if using it is "legal"... or if I need to go out into the woods, chop down a tree and build my own piano ....or not!
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