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2015/07/06 13:09:47 (permalink)

Mixing your music - how do you handle interfering frequencies?

Hi again,  just mixing a new tune of mine, and finding my clean guitar track/main lick is "warbling" a bit against what seems to be the bass track. It may be the sum of the bass and drums and is subtle, but noticeable to my ear anyways. I'm having trouble finding exactly where the trouble is, and how to eliminate the problem interaction. 
1) Would you possibly be able to tell me how you would approach this sort of problem exactly, step by step?  Which tools exactly would you use?  I  just have whatever comes with Sonar Studio X3. 
2) How do you approach cleaning up / thinning out the mix so that it's not losing anything as far as quality of sound goes, but thins out the areas that seem a little too muddy or full? Looking for a very clean distinct yet full bodied end product. Not asking much for a newbie, huh? 
 
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Re: Mixing your music - how do you handle interfering frequencies? 2015/07/06 13:13:53 (permalink)
Hi. I would probably try using subtractive eq ,to separate the tracks in question. Bass and guitar share some frequencies that could make you hear the "warbling". Others may know better.
Best of luck.

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Re: Mixing your music - how do you handle interfering frequencies? 2015/07/06 13:37:43 (permalink)
If you suspect frequencies are competing and your ears aren't helping you to find the problem, you can try a visual approach.
The QuadCurve or similar EQ will show you the full frequency spectrum of the signal being fed into it. Place an instance on each of your two tracks and look for the frequencies they have in common. Decide which instrument deserves that area of the spectrum and cut the other one by dialing in the Freq & Q and subtracting a few decibels. Keep the Q reasonably wide so you don't end up with surgical artifacts in the neighboring frequencies, but not so wide that you deaden the sound.
If the problem lies at the top end of the bass, and the low end of the guitar, you probably should just roll-off the frequencies above and below a certain threshold, as Zargg suggested. 

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Re: Mixing your music - how do you handle interfering frequencies? 2015/07/06 15:39:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby CadErik 2015/07/07 22:28:48
Voxengo Span can help here.
 
You can set it to show 2 simultaneous displays, for example Kick & Bass.
 
From this you should be able to identify if anything needs complementary EQ and clear space for each other to breathe.
 
 

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Re: Mixing your music - how do you handle interfering frequencies? 2015/07/06 15:46:55 (permalink)
Wavefactory's TrackSpacer.
 
The easy but not cheap way of doing it.
 
You'll get no engineering degree from using it, but it can do the job nicely.
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Re: Mixing your music - how do you handle interfering frequencies? 2015/07/06 16:02:02 (permalink)
Voxengo's GlissEQ has been the "go to" for this kinda of thing.  You put an instance of this plug in each track that you suspect is fighting with one another.  You can then display the spectrum of all those tracks (up to four at once, I think) simultaneously and see where the tracks are overlapping, and...(since it's an EQ and all)...you have the tool to do something about it right there.
 
I've also heard good things about some of Melda's tools like MMultiAnalyzer...
http://www.meldaproduction.com/plugins/product.php?id=MMultiAnalyzer
...but I don't have any direct experience with their stuff.
They also have a thing called MSpectralDynamics, which goes a few steps further than this...and appears to be so flexible that it's pretty downright scary.

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Re: Mixing your music - how do you handle interfering frequencies? 2015/07/06 16:15:28 (permalink)
For me, MMultiAnalyser from Melda Productions tops the lot. Currently €59 / $65, although there are discount periods from time to time. 
 


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Re: Mixing your music - how do you handle interfering frequencies? 2015/07/06 16:18:25 (permalink)
A little confused by your mentioning "warbling." Do you have any compression on the master bus?

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Re: Mixing your music - how do you handle interfering frequencies? 2015/07/06 18:32:27 (permalink)
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A little confused by your mentioning "warbling." Do you have any compression on the master bus?


Nothing on the master bus...  it's almost like a tremolo effect, kinda hard to hear, but subtly there. Comes out more prominently after converting to mp3 as well. 
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Re: Mixing your music - how do you handle interfering frequencies? 2015/07/06 19:36:30 (permalink)
Is it a slow cycle, like a phasing or comb-filtering sound, or is it fast?
 
I'm guessing you know what beats sound like when two sounds are slightly out of tune, right?  That's another thought.
 
Can you solo two sounds and hear it?

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Re: Mixing your music - how do you handle interfering frequencies? 2015/07/06 21:08:10 (permalink)
I too have started using MMultianalyzer.  It does a great job of displaying conflicts. I think the tricky part for most people is making the choices to resolve the conflict. That rolloff that sounds good in the mix can sound very thin if the other sound it was layered with drops out.  Sometimes a notch approach is better
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Re: Mixing your music - how do you handle interfering frequencies? 2015/07/06 21:10:05 (permalink)
hmmm...gate out some low noise or rumble..on each track...automation of volume at the marks of warble...panning to seperate...and momo to stereo...listening,...`Phasing issues ?.was this all recorded at once?..just some thoughts to get to a root...
Find the frequencies of each...try to cut the low end of the guitar...and leave the bass sit in the right low end, but use volume automation ....not sure about side chaining volumes..but i am sure the issue is not impossible to find the reason...once that is found,,,bliss comes....wink.

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Re: Mixing your music - how do you handle interfering frequencies? 2015/07/06 21:44:04 (permalink)
Oh ...making MP3s can be tricky...I do not go to zero on my mixes to mp3 but go upto -3 but not beyond , and cut the high and low eq ends  a bit / tail ends.(stops odd harmonics.especially on low bit renders of 64 bit or lower)...and it has to be mixed for that right, to get it good sounding...

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Re: Mixing your music - how do you handle interfering frequencies? 2015/07/07 07:32:12 (permalink)
why not post a file so people can hear?

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Re: Mixing your music - how do you handle interfering frequencies? 2015/07/07 12:27:55 (permalink)
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Is it a slow cycle, like a phasing or comb-filtering sound, or is it fast?
 
I'm guessing you know what beats sound like when two sounds are slightly out of tune, right?  That's another thought.
 
Can you solo two sounds and hear it?


It's a fast tremolo effect...   it was doing just fine in the mix, and then something happened to create this new twist... perhaps just adding compression to the bass was enough to do it, I just have to get some more free time to get in there and sort it out.  At some point you start to wonder if you're hearing things...  but there's no doubt it appears in the mp3, and back-tracking it is there subtly in the mix.  Thanks for the idea about tuning...  
I had a similar thing happen on a different song with drums and bass, and had to de-resonate the drums a bit in Superior Drummer to fix the problem. 
post edited by Chevy - 2015/07/07 12:49:53
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Re: Mixing your music - how do you handle interfering frequencies? 2015/07/07 16:18:00 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2015/07/07 20:05:10
I'd suggest bypassing all of your Fx and re-enabling them one at a time until you get the problem again

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