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ANCIENT THREAD ALERT Re: RE: Boycott Monster Cable
2015/06/17 18:02:47
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Zonno
So,
In all these years.
I have never bought a Monster Cable!
I bought a Monster guitar cable several years ago when it was on sale really cheap. Monster replaced it gratis last year with a slightly chintzier, even more poorly constructed new one.
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Re: ANCIENT THREAD ALERT Re: RE: Boycott Monster Cable
2015/06/17 18:49:02
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LOL... If you click the link in the OP, there are more listed against them since 2007 too. I guess some missed the boycott message.
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Re: RE: Boycott Monster Cable
2015/06/18 11:44:06
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ohhey
On top of just being @holes they are just a marketing company, nothing special at all. Kinda like Bose only even less inovation. Consumer grade stuff at best.
I know it's fashionable to dis Bose but their development of personal line arrays is still ahead of everyone else in the industry.
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Re: RE: Boycott Monster Cable
2015/06/18 13:15:34
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vintagevibe
ohhey
On top of just being @holes they are just a marketing company, nothing special at all. Kinda like Bose only even less inovation. Consumer grade stuff at best.
I know it's fashionable to dis Bose but their development of personal line arrays is still ahead of everyone else in the industry.
Hardly, I've used them, they are terrible.
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Re: RE: Boycott Monster Cable
2015/06/18 13:16:44
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vintagevibe
ohhey
On top of just being @holes they are just a marketing company, nothing special at all. Kinda like Bose only even less inovation. Consumer grade stuff at best.
I know it's fashionable to dis Bose but their development of personal line arrays is still ahead of everyone else in the industry.
Hardly, I've used them, they are terrible.
Hardly, I've used them and other brands. Bose are the best.
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Re: RE: Boycott Monster Cable
2015/06/18 13:27:15
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what's wrong with monster cable
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Re: RE: Boycott Monster Cable
2015/07/06 14:55:35
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I have to say, I love threads like THIS! It really shines on the poor souls who are led to believe that some copper that was freeze-dried in zero gravity at -270 degrees nitrogen, croygenically, and high-pressure cleaned by ionized barium enemas is better than something that already does a great job. I laugh and slap my head when I see ads for a power cord that costs $10,000, but produces sound depth and dimensionality like nothing else. Then, I cry when I see suckers fall for that crap. Monster is a company that really figured out the market of quality vs. cost. They realized that by doubling the cost of their products would actually sell! I can't say their products are bad, by any means. They really could be better in some ways, but in my opinion, only marginally. They're always a bit overpriced, which is why they do eventually end up in the bargain bin (where I'll buy them). btw, I bought my Monster Power equipment used. Less expensive. Furman demonstrated their own willingness to discount the market's knowledge and offer products that have only limited functionality in regard to Power conditioning. What they build does the job well, but where they will label a product a Power Conditioner the product may only be a surge suppressor. It's Marketing, electrical outlets, voltage meter, and rack-lights with a switch and dimmer. The cost of the Power conditioning you enjoy is less than $1 if sourced economically. Now, THAT's creative marketing! In defense of these companies, though, they are engines that work to keep the profits coming in, and they're very careful to market products with accuracy, legally. But whether it counts the consumer as intelligent is a whole other story.They do what they're supposed to do for their VC's, parent companies, or share-holders To illsutrate my marketing point, evaluate these two cables: 1) Cable 1: Made with Gold-Searing precision-molecular form with Em=Hm2/4μ sputtering. $69.99 (packaged in a graphite hard-shell case) 2) Cable 2: Made Oxygen-free copper. ISO4462 TX compliant. $9.99 (blister-pack with red-white labeling and standard font) Which one would you buy and put in your studio. Remember, you want the best cable, because your studio MUST be devoid of signal issues and lost fidelity. Even if you can see through all this, there are so many who never can, and they'll experience immediate G.A.S. for the better cable. Monster knows all this, and that's what I believe they think of you, the consumer. Their cable might be better in some ways, but as a consumer, I point you to my signature quote below.
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Re: RE: Boycott Monster Cable
2015/07/06 15:33:40
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but what's wrong with monster cable?
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Re: RE: Boycott Monster Cable
2015/07/06 17:23:54
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batsbrew
but what's wrong with monster cable?
I use Monster, myself. For me, I just don't believe all their hype. Even if they are marginally better than some other cables, I'll use them if I believe they're better. There's no science, though, for me. I just go with something advertised as being great, but is on sale. They won't convince me their Fiber-optics are any better, though.
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Re: RE: Boycott Monster Cable
2015/07/06 21:04:40
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batsbrew
but what's wrong with monster cable?
Probably nothing other than the the price. Some cables are known to be out of spec and damaged female jacks. There is an entire industry known as audiophiles who believe that items such as cables need to be of the highest quality. Most of their claims are totally rubbish while some are based on scientific principles that are misrepresented. Once you meet a certain minimum standard there is no difference in signal quality and his can be scientifically measured. I quite enjoy reading audiophile websites and visiting audiophile shops, there are a lot here in Tokyo. Fancy spending $700 on a 1 meter power cable? Wooden volume knobs for $100 each. One way speaker cables at $300 / meter? Monster Cables sell cables for different genres of music. Perhaps the worst is fiber optic and digital cables that are claimed to improve video signals! With guitar and mic cables, or any other signal cable, all that is needed is a minimum standard, the conductors are a certain size, it's shielded correctly, and it's manufactured correctly (ie it will handle typical use). I don't know what's available in various parts of the world but a brand name cable (eg Fender) for about $20 is just as good as anything more expensive. I buy Canare cables made by a little store in Akihabara or make my own from supplies I buy there. A 5 meter cable costs <$20. The technical aspects: All cables have three qualities, resistance, capacitance and inductance. These can be easily measured and many cable manufactures will even specify them. In theory a cable can act as a low pass filter (ie high filter), but in practice the effect is so small it only affects frequencies so high they don't affect the sound, in fact filtering these is a good idea. And if you have active pickups the effect is even smaller. Brett
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Re: RE: Boycott Monster Cable
2015/07/07 12:46:02
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so if someone wants to buy into 'hype', and waste money on cables when they could get cables that sound just as good for a quarter of the cost,
what's wrong with that?
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Re: RE: Boycott Monster Cable
2015/07/07 13:01:47
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Brett
batsbrew
but what's wrong with monster cable?
The technical aspects: All cables have three qualities, resistance, capacitance and inductance. These can be easily measured and many cable manufactures will even specify them. In theory a cable can act as a low pass filter (ie high filter), but in practice the effect is so small it only affects frequencies so high they don't affect the sound, in fact filtering these is a good idea. And if you have active pickups the effect is even smaller.
Correct...but incomplete. Additional technical aspects include strain relief, wire gauge, connector plating depth, cable assembly, etc. The last thing you need is an internal break in the cable, typically at a connection point. Some Monster cables can be TOO stiff and heavy duty, putting strain on the mating connector assembly. I'm willing to pay for a cable that won't break and won't kink. But paying for Monster executives bonuses and vacations is not something I want to do. I've bought Monster cables in the past. I'm been very happy with some of them, and felt like I'd wasted my money with others. Live and learn (hopefully!).
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Re: RE: Boycott Monster Cable
2015/07/07 13:18:12
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 Brett
All cables have three qualities, resistance, capacitance and inductance.
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Re: RE: Boycott Monster Cable
2015/07/08 07:46:14
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TheMaartian
Brett
batsbrew
but what's wrong with monster cable?
The technical aspects: All cables have three qualities, resistance, capacitance and inductance. These can be easily measured and many cable manufactures will even specify them. In theory a cable can act as a low pass filter (ie high filter), but in practice the effect is so small it only affects frequencies so high they don't affect the sound, in fact filtering these is a good idea. And if you have active pickups the effect is even smaller.
Correct...but incomplete. Additional technical aspects include strain relief, wire gauge, connector plating depth, cable assembly, etc. The last thing you need is an internal break in the cable, typically at a connection point. Some Monster cables can be TOO stiff and heavy duty, putting strain on the mating connector assembly.
Not incomplete, you just didn't read properly "With guitar and mic cables, or any other signal cable, all that is needed is a minimum standard, the conductors are a certain size, it's shielded correctly, and it's manufactured correctly (ie it will handle typical use). "
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Re: RE: Boycott Monster Cable
2015/07/08 10:13:55
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The point of this thread was not that Monster cables are overpriced (they are), but rather that the company's business practices are unethical.
 All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. My Stuff
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Re: RE: Boycott Monster Cable
2015/07/08 10:25:54
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Cool, the old 2007 thread that refuses to die...
My favorite cable story was the time when I owned the little music store.
This bass player came in and wanted to look at new basses because he said his Mexican P Bass sounded terrible.
He asked if he could possibly trade it in. So I took it out of the case and plugged it into a bass amp and it sounded like a P bass, just fine. He said wow! that sounds great! What did you do? Is it the Bass amp?
I looked down at the case and noticed a coily patch cord. I swapped it out for the cable I had used and, that's right, the bass sounded dull and muddy. He had been using that old coily cord since as long as he could remember and had been through a few new basses searching for a good tone.
Cables most certainly can be capacitors.
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Re: RE: Boycott Monster Cable
2015/07/08 11:45:41
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Brett
Not incomplete, you just didn't read properly
"With guitar and mic cables, or any other signal cable, all that is needed is a minimum standard, the conductors are a certain size, it's shielded correctly, and it's manufactured correctly (ie it will handle typical use). "
I stand corrected.
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Re: RE: Boycott Monster Cable
2015/07/08 12:12:27
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I LIKE LONG CURLY CORDS
i saw jimi play on one
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Re: RE: Boycott Monster Cable
2015/07/08 14:20:36
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And certainly don't get me wrong. My perception of Monster Products is that they are desperate for revenge and money. I'd put good money on the probability The Head Monster has contracted a law firm to patrol and act. That's a large list, I admit. Not a perception a company should ever want a customer to have. But it's there, and it's visible.
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Re: RE: Boycott Monster Cable
2015/07/08 16:26:25
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brconflict
And certainly don't get me wrong. My perception of Monster Products is that they are desperate for revenge and money. I'd put good money on the probability The Head Monster has contracted a law firm to patrol and act. That's a large list, I admit. Not a perception a company should ever want a customer to have. But it's there, and it's visible.
careful! they have spies on all forums! you will be tracked down and issued a summons now unless you pay Monster(c) a hefty fine for this libel!!!
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Re: RE: Boycott Monster Cable
2015/07/08 22:23:09
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From the JustWhenYouThoughtItCouln'tGetAnyWorse Department, turns out Monster - the caffeine drink company, not the cable company - is just as bad. http://consumerist.com/2012/07/17/monster-energy-assumes-consumers-cant-distinguish-energy-drinks-from-fish-tanks/ Now they claim to own the word "monster" (a word which, btw, dates back to medieval times). Maybe we should throw them into a pit with Noel Lee (Monster Cable founder) and let 'em duke it out. Talk about a full-employment program for lawyers. Which one's the bigger a-hole, the one who sued Disney over the movie "Monsters, Inc." or the one who claims consumers can't tell the difference between a fish tank and a soda? I still think it's Mr. Lee, who although he claims to be Chinese, may in fact actually be from another planet and does not yet understand our ways. From a Wall Street Journal article: "We have to balance what we do legally to protect our mark with that of public opinion," says Mr. Lee, adding, "We're very sensitive to our reputation."
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Re: RE: Boycott Monster Cable
2015/07/08 23:32:39
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Cactus Music
Cool, the old 2007 thread that refuses to die...
My favorite cable story was the time when I owned the little music store.
This bass player came in and wanted to look at new basses because he said his Mexican P Bass sounded terrible.
He asked if he could possibly trade it in. So I took it out of the case and plugged it into a bass amp and it sounded like a P bass, just fine. He said wow! that sounds great! What did you do? Is it the Bass amp?
I looked down at the case and noticed a coily patch cord. I swapped it out for the cable I had used and, that's right, the bass sounded dull and muddy. He had been using that old coily cord since as long as he could remember and had been through a few new basses searching for a good tone.
Cables most certainly can be capacitors.
Did you sell him a $20 cable or a $100 cable? (the problem would have most likely been resistance in this case)
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Re: RE: Boycott Monster Cable
2015/07/09 01:30:59
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I sold Rapco cables which was most likely $15 for a 15' in those days.
Rapco= Switchcraft /Beldon made in Canada in those days. They were bought out by Horizon I think and became USA made or something.
Yes, just checked the web site. Probably using Chinese parts now.
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