AnsweredInstall question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6

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2015/07/06 19:11:40 (permalink)

Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6

I know I'm hopelessly behind the times but maybe you guys can help me anyway:)
I have a version of Sonar 6 currently installed on my XP laptop.I don't know it really well yet but I'm getting there. I have a Tascam US428 control surface and a Ketron Sound module.Everything is working properly .
So I have a chance to buy Sonar 8 producer with the tutorial DVD for 32.-. I read that this version is very easy on the computer resources so I think I want to buy it.
My questions are
If install Sonar 8, will it recognize my previous installation of sonar 6 and keep all the settings and folder locations etc?
Or do I have to start from scratch?
The software I'm about to buy has been previously registered, the seller said it would be completely functional, only I won't be able to get support from cakewalk. Is that true?
There also is a Sonar 8.5. I don't know what it has that Sonar 8 doesn't have, but would I eventually be able to upgrade to that if I installed Sonar 8?
Thanks for your help
post edited by Roxy - 2015/07/06 22:04:05
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Re: Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6 2015/07/06 19:58:18 (permalink)
Where to begin?  First, you just admitted that you have a previously registered copy of Sonar, therefor, you won't be able to upgrade to any version of Sonar using that software.  Second, 8.5 is about 8 or 9 years in the past, so there's no support for it now.  Why don't you list your computer specs and let people advise you on which way to go?  The new X series of Sonar has a great deal to offer and will be fully supported.  I see that you have XP on your laptop, to I don't know how well this is supported these days, but I think that you'd be wise to consider upgrading your whole system and joining the 21st century  Either way, welcome to the forum, and I hope you find the answers you are looking for.
 
 
post edited by Lynn - 2015/07/06 20:05:03

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Re: Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6 2015/07/06 22:05:53 (permalink)
No Lynn, I do not want to get into it to the point that I have to replace my XP laptop. AFAIK newer versions of sonar don't run on XP, so if someone could please help me out and answer my questions (I just edited them a bit to make them clearer.) BTW My sonar 6 may have been registered (It came with my laptop) and the sonar 8 has definitely been previously registered.
So I'm not upgrading an existing installation in the sense that I'm trying to get something from Cakewalk for free... I just want to know if I installed Sonar 8 if it will recognize that I have Sonar 6 already. Will it use the settings I have created on Sonar 6 and give me Sonar 8 with my old preferences in place?
Thanks :)
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Re: Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6 2015/07/06 22:27:37 (permalink)
If Sonar 6 came with the laptop I think you should be able to register it and I'd recommend doing so.  Loading Sonar 8 should be no problem for you at all.  It was a long time ago,  but I think S8 was a dog and S8.5 was really a good, stable version. Normally when you upgrade the new version searches the old and uses the same settings. Even if it does not, you should be able to change things to match in the "Preferences" section.  Loading an old file from 6 and playing in 8 will work and use the file settings from the old version and be fine in the newer Sonar.
 
8.5 was a paid update.  I m not sure how you would go to 8.5 from 8.
 
Good luck and i hope you have the opportunity to get to Sonar 2015 and a new laptop.  Life in this version is way cool.

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Re: Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6 2015/07/06 22:33:36 (permalink)
I used all the sonars since Sonar 7. Not to versed in sonar 6. However from my experience like Jimbo said... when you install new sonar.. usually settings will transfer over. You can open up all your sonar 6 projects in 8 as long as they dont use any 3rd party plugins that ur Sonar 8 doesn't have access to anymore. Usually even then itll just skip that plugin. Sometimes you might have to change a directory or something but its rare. Like Jimbo said u might have to adjsut ur preferences a slight bit, but usually the new will just take over the old.
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Re: Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6 2015/07/06 22:43:01 (permalink)
OK.  CW does a great job of recognizing your past versions and settings.  Actually, if you can get 8.5.3, you'll love it.  I loved S6 when I had it, so I'm sure you'll appreciate any version that's newer.  Best of luck.

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Re: Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6 2015/07/06 23:33:10 (permalink)
Hi Roxy:
 
Welcome to the Cakewalk forums! 
 
"If install Sonar 8, will it recognize my previous installation of sonar 6 and keep all the settings and folder locations etc?"
 
Yes. I believe it is when you start the new version of SONAR, that you will be asked if you want to import (or something like that) your settings from the older version of SONAR, select yes to transfer your settings from the older version of SONAR to the newer version.
 
"The software I'm about to buy has been previously registered, the seller said it would be completely functional, only I won't be able to get support from cakewalk. Is that true?"
 
Yes. The above is true.
 
"There also is a Sonar 8.5. I don't know what it has that Sonar 8 doesn't have, but would I eventually be able to upgrade to that if I installed Sonar 8?"
 
SONAR 8.5 is the most stable and fully featured version of SONAR before the SONAR X series of products and the SONAR newest series of products. SONAR 8.5.3 is so stable, fully featured, and customizable, that some users still use it rather than the newer versions of SONAR. SONAR 8.5 is a full upgrade version of SONAR, but at that time Cakewalk changed the naming convention, so it was called 8.5, instead of SONAR 9.
 
You will be able to install SONAR 8.5 if there is a version of SONAR 8 on your computer. SONAR 8.5 was a downloaded version that depended on some files from the SONAR 8 installation (unless you bought the SONAR 8.5 installation disks). So, if you have the SONAR 8.5 installation package (downloaded version), you can install 8.5 after you have installed SONAR 8. You will want to update to SONAR 8.5.3, after you install SONAR 8.5, if possible.
 
As, with SONAR 8, you will be asked if you want to import your settings from the older version of SONAR, when you start-up 8.5.
 
EDIT:
 
Oh yeah, if you use SONAR 8, you'll want to update that to 8.3.1, if you can. So the best version of SONAR 8 to use, is to update to 8.3.1. And the best version of SONAR 8.5 to use, is to update that to 8.5.3.
post edited by thomasabarnes - 2015/07/07 01:35:15


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Re: Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6 2015/07/07 00:03:22 (permalink)
I started with Sonar 6, then 7 then right to 8.5. I remember the forum back then and 8 was not very good. It was like X1 was to X3. So I personally wouldn't pay money for it. Seek out 8.5. 
It's actually not supposed to be sold so the person selling it is breaking the rules. Not that anyone really cares anymore. Someday soon you will own the new version. 
I still run 8.5 on my old XP laptop. I don't really do any work with it anymore as you can never go back, I just use it to look stuff up to help on the forum. If your stuck with XP on that laptop 8.5 is the best Sonar for that system. 
 
I never had an issue playing any Sonar files even as far back as my 2004 Guitar Studio CWP files, they played on all version right up until now. It's only missing plug ins and soft synths that will be still there if you keep the old versions installed. Don't un-install 6. keep it. 
 

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Re: Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6 2015/07/07 00:48:36 (permalink)
I used 8.5 the longest out of all the Sonars. It served me well. Made some great quality music with it. Was very very stable. I can't recall a crash off the top of my head that was due to sonar rather than my computer. I do very much enjoy the X series and most recently platinum.
 
I still got Sonar 8.5 on my less capable laptop incase i need to record on the go or do some quick mixing. Later on id transfer the project to x3 or platinum. Great program, especially if you're not ready for the x-series yet.
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Re: Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6 2015/07/07 02:49:45 (permalink)
That was a lot of useful information, thank you for that.
The reason why I'm even asking is:  my Tascam US 428 is having some issues so I ordered a Presonus Audio Box VSL22 interface. It works on XP and USB2 plus it has onboard effects so that would lighten the processing load on the computer.
This Audio Box also comes with a basic version of Studio one. I don't know if anybody here is familiar with that program. I saw a youtube video of it and it looks very easy to use and powerful.
But....I think the Audio Box which used to come with Studio one ver 2 now comes with Studio One ver 3 which doesn't run with XP anymore, it requires Windows 7. I have not been able to find a download for the free version of Studio one ver 2.
I don't have the Presonus Audio box yet. But It should be here any day now.
So that's why I'm thinking about which direction to go..
So the Sonar 8   I can buy is 32.- and that includes a Tutorial DVD.
Would I be able to upgrade that to ver 8.3.1 even if I can't register the program? I'm imagining those are mainly bug fixes but those would be nice to have especially since the Sonar 8 is considered to be a "Dog". Does Cakewalk have those fixes available for download still?
Or should I just stay with Sonar 6? How much better is Sonar 8? I read it's easiest on resources compared to other Sonar versions.
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Re: Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6 2015/07/07 03:37:35 (permalink)
My advice?
 
Stick with what you've got until you're ready to embrace a full 64 bit environment
 
I started off with Sonar 6 and made some great songs with it.

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Re: Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6 2015/07/07 03:56:30 (permalink)
I don't think any SONAR version is/was a dog. That sounds disturbingly negative to me. I think we will do well to remember it's SONAR that we are choosing to use and which enables us to make music and do other things. I think we should be grateful/considerate enough to not make silly comments about the software, especially when seeking and obtaining help to use it.
 
So, since you choose to repeat that silly phraseology that someone else posted. I'll leave it to them to help you from here, but goodluck getting up and running.
post edited by thomasabarnes - 2015/07/07 04:04:01


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Re: Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6 2015/07/07 05:26:16 (permalink)
If the main reason for you to go to SONAR 8 is that it's said to be light on the PC, I doubt you'll benefit anything.
Every version new version of SONAR includes something the previous ones didn't, and the lightness is relative.
When S8 came out computers were more powerfull than two years earlier and so on. My guess is that 8 in fact requires more resources than 6, anyway. But as mentioned, I'm only guessing.
 
I'd say that if you could move to 8.5.3 you'd really get improvements. As far as I can recall there were quite a bit
of debate on version 8, as if it was a bit unstable/buggy on some areas. 
 
I'm in the situation that no option for gear/SONAR upgrade is in sight for the next several years. I just have to hope my XP/SONAR 8.5.3 keeps ticking as well as it has for  so many years already. It may well be that Bristol_Joneseys advice is the best - stick to what you've got untill you can get a proper gear/software upgrade.
 
And to clarify once more: As SONAR lisences are not transferrable ( and support for those old versions doesn't exist) you're totally on your own, on the illegal side, actually (but as mentioned earlier, who cares as so old versions are in question) You can't register the software, so you'll get no support, no updates nor upgrades.
 
I hope you'll find a satisfying way to continue with your music making!
 
 

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Re: Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6 2015/07/07 11:09:27 (permalink)
Hi Roxy.  Concerning the US 428, or as I named mine "Babe, the Blue Box", it has drivers to run thru Vista that are still available from TASCAM on the legacy product page.


However, the main issue I had with mine is that it is USB 1.1 only, not the fast USB 2.  I am sure that is why it was dropped from the lineup along with the fact that it was made by Frontier, who is now defunct. 

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Re: Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6 2015/07/07 11:18:56 (permalink)
Sorry about repeating the "Dog" comment. It wasn't meant to be a slam on Sonar , I don't know enough about it to have an opinion one way or the other.I was merely referring to the fact that someone else on this forum described it as such. But thank you guys again for helping. I think I'll follow the advice and stick to what I have for now.
My new interface just arrived and I'll be able to check it out tonight.Then I'll know what software it actually comes with. But even it the Studio One doesn't end up being anything I can use on XP, just the fact that the interface has onboard effects will probably improve my setup.
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Re: Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6 2015/07/07 13:58:09 (permalink)
Sounds good, Roxy.
 
If you decide to go with SONAR 8 or 8.5 and need some help somewhere, come back and we'll try to see what we can do?


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Re: Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6 2015/07/08 16:48:26 (permalink)
Be aware that Sonar does not overwrite previous versions. Provided you have enough space on your drive, you can have both. I had S3 PE, S5 PE and S6 PE on my previous machine, which ran W2k. S5 and S6 were not supported on W2k, but they worked fairly well. I just had to find my own workarounds whenever it burped at me. I carried S6 over to my new W7 machine, same situation regarding lack of support....but it works.
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Re: Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6 2015/07/08 18:18:19 (permalink)
Like what river said... I had 8.5, x1, x3, and platinum all installed. however on my computer i only have Platinum but i do still got 8.5 on my laptop.
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Re: Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6 2015/07/09 13:25:52 (permalink)
Mind you if you can't register a particular version you won't be able to get the various updates so you'll be stuck with which ever version you have.

Like Sonar 8 started of as 8 but had numerous updates right upto 8.3.1

Sonar 6 also had numerous updates.

The release versions usually had numerous bugs that weren't squashed until the very last revision.

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Re: Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6 2015/07/09 13:53:30 (permalink)
So, I currently have Sonar 6.2 on my computer licensed to me. If I understand it correctly, If I installed a previously registered version of Sonar 8 on my computer, it would not install over Sonar 6.
but it would be an independent installation that would not allow me to install the minor bug fixes,right?
How buggy is Sonar 8 ? Should I stay away from it or are there any features that it has that might make it a better choice than the "bug free" version of 6.2?
I have an external midi module that has good sounds, so I probably would not use soft synths.
I like latin jazz and the afro cuban rhythms sound really bad if I use midi drums, so I want to use drums and percussion loops.
Are there any drum loop related new features on Sonar 8,  that 6 does not have? That could be very important for me.
Thanks again :)
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Re: Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6 2015/07/09 18:04:39 (permalink)
8 had several issues that weren't rectified until 8.3.1
 
8.5 was a significant upgrade culminating in 8.5.3
 
Sonar 6 was updated to 6.2.1 and at the time, was a pretty damned good program.
 
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Re: Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6 2015/07/14 19:02:27 (permalink)
Hey guys,
I Have Sonar 8 now. Bought it for 32.- with a tutorial DVD. It was supposed to have been previously registered, but for some odd reason it let me register it. It recognized my previous installation and transferred all the settings I had without a hitch.On top of that I was able to install all the updated up to 8.3.1 Great! There was also a "Content update" which was pretty large about 400 MB . I'm not sure what that was, but I installed it anyway.
One thing was strange . Sonar 8 came with NI Guitar rig 3 which also installed as a standalone version on my desktop.
When I try to open it I'm given 3 choices. Demo, Buy,Register. The demo is active only for 30 minutes and the settings can't be saved. So it's pretty much useless.
I'm confused, is this just a teaser to get me to buy it or is it only the Standalone version that they are trying to sell? Is there a plugin for that program that might be fully functional as part of the Sonar installation? When I click on Register, I get "no internet connection available" and when I visit their website there is no reference to this software.Not a big deal, for the kind of music I like I don't really need a million effects.But still, I'm curious. What is the deal with this software, why is it on the disc as a separate program?
 
post edited by Roxy - 2015/07/14 19:16:13
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Re: Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6 2015/07/15 07:59:06 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby Roxy 2015/07/15 12:14:51
You get a serial with Guitar Rig 3 LE. Go to Native Instruments site and register your copy of Guitar Rig 3 with NI. After you create an account and register Guitar 3 LE, you can install and run Service Center, enter your NI account info, and Service Center will give you a download link to the most up to date version of Guitar Rig 3, and authorize Guitar Rig 3 LE for you to use without the limited Demo mode. But the version of Guitar Rig that comes with SONAR 8 is a Limited Edition (LE) version. NI was hoping users of the LE version would upgrade to the full Guitar 3 version for an additional price.
 
Hope that helps.
post edited by thomasabarnes - 2015/07/15 08:14:15


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Re: Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6 2015/07/15 13:45:25 (permalink)
I looked for a serial number but I can't find it. There was no documentation in the Sonar 8 box. Just the DVD and the serial number for Sonar 8. Does that mean i won't be able to register the guitar rig, or is the activation only for the standalone part of the program?
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Re: Install question Sonar 8 over Sonar 6 2015/07/15 15:51:58 (permalink)
A serial for Guitar Rig 3 LE came as a sticky on the disk paper that the Guitar Rig 3 disk came in, but if you tell Native Instruments you have SONAR 8 (but don't have a serial for the Guitar Rig 3 LE that came with your SONAR 8), they may give you a serial for Guitar Rig 3 LE.
 
SONAR 8.5 comes with Guitar Rig 4 LE and there is a serial for that in a user's Cakewalk Store Account.
 
You may be able to contact Cakewalk and get a serial for Guitar Rig 3 LE (since you were able to successfully register SONAR 8), cause I think for Guitar Rig 3 LE, the serial just came on a sticky that was on the disk paper the Guitar Rig LE disk came in.
 
Hope that helps.


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