jonnewyork
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Audio Disk full, unable to save entire recording -- bogus message?
Nothing kills workflow faster and more completely than recording a vocal track and having Sonar stop mid syllable with the above message. Audio Disk full, unable to save entire recording?
According to the performance module the disk is 75% empty (or 25% full if you're an optimist) and the cpu usage is very low, which is what I'd expect; this is an older song and it's running 24/ 44.1 and I don't use tons of plugins.
There were about 85 tracks. I deleted some to enable me to continue recording, but that should have been unnecessary.
The only recent change is that I recently tried Melodyne essential out on a track. It wasn't really useful for the track so I deleted it from the fx window. It shouldn't be still running in the background, should it? And if it were, it would show up in the performance module.
So, what's up with this?
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Re: Audio Disk full, unable to save entire recording -- bogus message?
2015/07/13 15:01:46
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Hi. If you right click on the track you tried Melodyne on, under Region Fx, is there an option to open Melodyne editor? If so, I believe the Region Fx is still there.
Best of luck.
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Re: Audio Disk full, unable to save entire recording -- bogus message?
2015/07/13 15:32:32
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Bounce the track you applied Melodyne to, to Clip
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jonnewyork
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Re: Audio Disk full, unable to save entire recording -- bogus message?
2015/07/13 17:01:03
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Zargg71
Hi. If you right click on the track you tried Melodyne on, under Region Fx, is there an option to open Melodyne editor? If so, I believe the Region Fx is still there.
Best of luck.
It isn't, and anyway, wouldn't melodyne or anything else that's bogging the system down be pegging the performance module? It shows plenty of headroom.
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Re: Audio Disk full, unable to save entire recording -- bogus message?
2015/07/13 17:11:10
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It's just a question of eliminating suspects from your enquiries This The only recent change is that I recently tried Melodyne essential out on a track. could be a factor
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Re: Audio Disk full, unable to save entire recording -- bogus message?
2015/07/13 19:51:56
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jonnewyork
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Re: Audio Disk full, unable to save entire recording -- bogus message?
2015/07/13 21:27:01
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Bristol_Jonesey
It's just a question of eliminating suspects from your enquiries
This The only recent change is that I recently tried Melodyne essential out on a track. could be a factor
Exactly. Classic troubleshooting.
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jonnewyork
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Re: Audio Disk full, unable to save entire recording -- bogus message?
2015/07/13 21:29:56
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Doktor Avalanche
Removable drives?
The drives are recognized by the computer. Saving audio and project files is what I mainly use them for. Never had a problem like this before. And wouldn't that show up in the performance module?
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Re: Audio Disk full, unable to save entire recording -- bogus message?
2015/07/13 21:32:23
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jonnewyork
Nothing kills workflow faster and more completely than recording a vocal track and having Sonar stop mid syllable with the above message. Audio Disk full, unable to save entire recording?
According to the performance module the disk is 75% empty (or 25% full if you're an optimist) and the cpu usage is very low, which is what I'd expect; this is an older song and it's running 24/ 44.1 and I don't use tons of plugins.
I have had the same issue off and on, and in my case it is not a Melodyne issue as I don't use it. I have never been able to track it down, but fortunately it happens rarely enough it has not been a major issue for me. Still quite a nuisance though.
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jonnewyork
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Re: Audio Disk full, unable to save entire recording -- bogus message?
2015/07/13 21:37:43
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jonnewyork
Nothing kills workflow faster and more completely than recording a vocal track and having Sonar stop mid syllable with the above message. Audio Disk full, unable to save entire recording?
According to the performance module the disk is 75% empty (or 25% full if you're an optimist) and the cpu usage is very low, which is what I'd expect; this is an older song and it's running 24/ 44.1 and I don't use tons of plugins.
I have had the same issue off and on, and in my case it is not a Melodyne issue as I don't use it. I have never been able to track it down, but fortunately it happens rarely enough it has not been a major issue for me. Still quite a nuisance though.
Thanks. It sounds like a bug that needs to be looked into.
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re: Audio Disk full, unable to save entire recording -- bogus message?
2015/07/14 02:02:19
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Long time ago I experienced some totally random (and false) "Disc full" messages, and there's been posts about them
on the forum quite a few times. It can't be called a bug, because no-one's been able to reproduce the behaviour, AFAIK. That message can, of course, be very generic, and only mean that there's something wrong with HDD connections.
Could it simply be a minor, temporary malfunction of the HDD? Has any of you ever gotten that (false) message using SSD?
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Re: Audio Disk full, unable to save entire recording -- bogus message?
2015/07/14 07:22:07
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We digitaze terrabytes of tapes and Vinyl on a dozen of computers.
We get this message, when a harddrive is for a moment not connected to the System.
One second outage of the disc is already too much for Sonar - and Sonar must be restarted.
The power options of the computer may be the reason for a short outage of the disc.
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Re: Audio Disk full, unable to save entire recording -- bogus message?
2015/07/14 14:15:38
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I have had this.
In my experience, troubleshooting them was always a different culprit. I found a small corruption in the projects each time, in some cases a fade, an effect or a split clip. I would render the fades or effects or join the clips in the offending area and export the project again.
To find the bugspot try playing the track all the way through and if the track stops then that is the bug spot, or play the track all the way through and look for a CPU spike.
I would recommend letting the Bakers take a look at the project.
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jonnewyork
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Re: Audio Disk full, unable to save entire recording -- bogus message?
2015/07/15 12:33:09
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Kalle Rantaaho
Long time ago I experienced some totally random (and false) "Disc full" messages, and there's been posts about them
on the forum quite a few times. It can't be called a bug, because no-one's been able to reproduce the behaviour, AFAIK. That message can, of course, be very generic, and only mean that there's something wrong with HDD connections.
Could it simply be a minor, temporary malfunction of the HDD? Has any of you ever gotten that (false) message using SSD?
I think I may have the answer. I turned on my computer this morning and I got a message "connection could be faster" or something like that. I had a hard drive crash recently so I got an external HD at a local store so I could continue to save to two separate drives. I inadvertently plugged it into a usb2 socket instead of usb3. Maybe the "disc full" message might have meant that the connection was too slow?
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: Audio Disk full, unable to save entire recording -- bogus message?
2015/07/15 12:35:28
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On post #6 I did ask if you had a removable hard drive. So there's your issue... losing connection with it. Make sure USB cables work correctly. Yup you might have needed a different socket. Consider updating your motherboard BIOSs and chipset drivers. Maybe you are able to update the external hard drive firmware.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/07/15 12:45:04
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Re: Audio Disk full, unable to save entire recording -- bogus message?
2015/07/16 03:36:48
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I have had the same problem. I'm using an internal hard drive with plenty of space, also had low cpu and ram usage, and sonar's performance module indicated less than 30% disk usage. I transfered the project to a different internal hard drive and had the same issue. No region fx were used. Archiving tracks then allowed me to continue recording but caused me to sacrifice those tracks until tracking was complete. No issues on playback, only recording.
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Re: Audio Disk full, unable to save entire recording -- bogus message?
2015/07/16 06:04:38
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Allthough failing connections to external HDDs can most likely cause this message, that's not the (whole) answer, neither is the USB2/3 thing.
This false message was familiar before there was USB3, and as the posts verify, both with internal and external
HDDs.
I have never read about it happening with SSDs, though. Of course, that doesn't prove anything, because SSDs are
so new and this issue is not very common anyway.
Greatrockgod ( I like modesty :o), it's a bit weird that archiving tracks made saving possible again, as archiving does not reduce the size of the project.
I wonder if VSTs in demo mode could do this? Many of them are "save disabled". Could such a feature affect the whole project??
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Re: Audio Disk full, unable to save entire recording -- bogus message?
2015/07/16 08:22:56
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Try raising your disk IO buffers in preferences/Audio Options advanced. Whatever they are raise them and test if error goes away.This generic warning usually means your disc isn't keeping up. This error is a generic Windows warning that Sonar has been throwing up since time immemorial.
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Re: Audio Disk full, unable to save entire recording -- bogus message?
2015/07/21 03:22:14
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Haha, we'll the greatrockgod thing is what I strive to be, not what I think I am....guess I should add a "wanabe" at the end.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but archiving doesn't make the project smaller, however, it stops the hard drive from reading those files that are not in use. So, it acted as if my HD was indeed full because it acted as if I freed up transport bandwidth when I archived tracks; However, the HD was not full and Sonar recognized low HD usage so I find it interesting as well. I finally finished tracking the project and have no problems after un-archiving all the tracks for mixing but it was pretty redundant and anoying to get through the tracking process.
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Re: Audio Disk full, unable to save entire recording -- bogus message?
2015/07/21 03:28:42
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I use a Focusrite Scarlett and I did try adjusting the buffer srttings with no results. The project is all good and finished now with my workaround, but hopefully it doesn't become an ongoing issue with future projects.
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Re: Audio Disk full, unable to save entire recording -- bogus message?
2015/07/21 04:32:34
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This kind of error has been cropping up here for years. It used to be something that could be reliably reproduced by trying to import tagged MP3 files, but I do not recall ever seeing any other cause isolated. I have never even been able to figure out from reports whether this is a Windows system error or a Cakewalk application error when the message is generated. Since this message indicates "audio disk" full, I assume it comes from Sonar, since windows would have no way of knowing what Sonar is using the disk for. Deleting the picture cash was offered as a solution. Does Sonar put a limit on the size of the picture cache on disk?
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