z1812
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Noise from X3 through speakers SOLVED
Hi Everyone, I have a humming sound from my speakers. I can confirm that it is not the speakers themselves, or the audio interface. When I turn off the audio engine the sound disappears. When I mute all the tracks the sound is still there. It makes no difference if they are all midi or audio tracks, or a mix of both. The problem is only apparent when I am running Sonar. Any ideas are appreciated. Regards, John
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Re: Noise from X3 through speakers.
2015/07/14 20:27:02
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Even if you mute the inputs, the outputs are still connected. What interface are you using? Does it have a mixer applet with zero input monitoring or some other means of picking up audio and sending it to the output?
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z1812
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Re: Noise from X3 through speakers.
2015/07/15 00:01:21
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Hi, and thanks for responding, I have an Edirol FA-66. I also use it for my general computer sound card. When I use windows media player or any other sound program there is no hum. Even though the speakers are on they make no sound until Sonar is loaded and the audio engine is engaged. Once the engine is disengaged the noise stops. Regards, John
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Re: Noise from X3 through speakers.
2015/07/15 00:02:18
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Re: Noise from X3 through speakers.
2015/07/15 02:43:23
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Have you tried switching your drivers. If using WDM switch to ASIO and vice versa.
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Re: Noise from X3 through speakers.
2015/07/15 03:16:32
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What you describe would happen if CRAIG is right - it is only SONAR that would route an input to an output so my money is on this
Have you got any leads plugged in to your audio interface?
Does your audio interface have its own power supply or is it USB powered? - my MAUDIO Fast Track Ultra makes a humming noise unless I run it on its own power supply
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Re: Noise from X3 through speakers.
2015/07/15 03:52:44
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Most probably a ground loop.
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Re: Noise from X3 through speakers.
2015/07/15 11:25:30
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Very weird behavior. An electrical problem (commonly ground loop) would likely cause the problem. Normally that is constant and not related to the audio application since it is largely an external issue. But if the OP has somehow managed to set up a feedback loop that travels through Sonar, then an inaudible electrical noise could be amplified by the feedback loop enough to become audible. Or sonar could be applying so much gain that noise inaudible in other applications is heard via Sonar.
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Re: Noise from X3 through speakers.
2015/07/15 11:28:24
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from the manual • Using the unit near power amplifiers (or other equipment containing large power transformers) may induce hum. 14. Grounding terminal Depending on the circumstances of a particular setup, you may experience a discomforting sensation, or perceive that the surface feels gritty to the touch when you touch this device, microphones connected to it, or the metal portions of other objects, such as guitars. This is due to an infinitesimal electrical charge, which is absolutely harmless. However, if you are concerned about this, connect the ground terminal (see figure) with an external ground. When the unit is grounded, a slight hum may occur, depending on the particulars of your installation. If you are unsure of the connection method, contact the nearest Roland Service Center, or an authorized Roland distributor, as listed on the “Information” page.
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Re: Noise from X3 through speakers.
2015/07/15 17:53:36
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Hello and thank you to everyone who has responded. It looks like I have a few questions to answer. Are you running X3e? X3e build 352 x 64 Have you tried switching your drivers. If using WDM switch to ASIO and vice versa. Yes and there is no difference except latency is worse with WDM. Have you got any leads plugged in to your audio interface? No.
Does your audio interface have its own power supply or is it USB powered? It has its own Most probably a ground loop. It does not behave like one and I have no hum from other computers or amplifiers. Using the unit near power amplifiers (or other equipment containing large power transformers) may induce hum. The unit is not near any powerful transformers. Very weird behavior. It certainly is............. ; ) Or sonar could be applying so much gain that noise inaudible in other applications is heard via Sonar. My music computer is only for Sonar. The computers internal volume is normally disabled. Thanks again for taking the time to respond, John
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Re: Noise from X3 through speakers.
2015/07/15 18:00:40
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I had my guitar cord still plugged in (but laying loose on the floor) when I had noise like that. So...... I always leave the mic cable plugged in(48v off), but the guitar cable is out when not in use.
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Re: Noise from X3 through speakers.
2015/07/15 18:38:19
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charlyg I had my guitar cord still plugged in (but laying loose on the floor) when I had noise like that. So...... I always leave the mic cable plugged in(48v off), but the guitar cable is out when not in use.
So are you saying that disconnecting the guitar cord from the interface resolves the issue? If so, it may be acting as an antenna.
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Re: Noise from X3 through speakers.
2015/07/15 18:43:52
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Hello Again, I have nothing plugged into to my interface and I still get the hum. Regards, John
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Re: Noise from X3 through speakers.
2015/07/15 20:01:02
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OK you are saying it only happens with Sonar and so are you thinking that something in Sonar is causing the "hum?" It is pretty difficult to imagine Sonar as a particular application generating a hum. Have you tried your outside the box setup with another application that is capable of recording and monitoring audio? You could download Audacity for free, and try that. A lot of work to figure out that Sonar is not the culprit, but it is a useful Audio editor in its own right. Or you could try describing how your setup (hardware and software and project track by track) is set up exactly and precisely and in enough detail that someone who has no idea what your system looks like could set theirs up the same way. That will probably take you a fair amount of time, but doing so may reveal the problem source to you, and would certainly help people here. Or you could set up a minimal test configuration in Sonar with just a single track, no effects and see if the problem persists. Or you could take our best guesses one at a time, implementing them each one at a time until someone hits the diagnosis by accident.
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Re: Noise from X3 through speakers.
2015/07/15 20:02:40
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It can't be SONAR because the program does not generate any sound on its own. It has to be something related to SONAR interacting with hardware. Maybe it's USB picking up "hash" from the USB bus, which usually has all kinds of crap on it. I assume you're not using a hub, powered or otherwise. If so, try a direct connect to the motherboard. I've had enough issues with some older interfaces that I bit the bullet and installed a USB PCI card in my computer and use it only for devices that pass audio. That solved a bunch of problems. The "dirty" USB devices, like hard drives, go to the motherboard's ports. Finally, try connect a wire between the interface ground and the computer's ground to determine if there's a change in the character or level of the hum. Also, by hum I assume you mean sine wave 60 Hz hum, not something with harmonics.
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Re: Noise from X3 through speakers.
2015/07/15 21:20:08
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A MIDI loop will create such a hum, and there are plugins which make noise even with the transport stopped (iZotope's "Vinyl"). Amp sims (if echoed) will also do this, and on some settings even with no input.
Best troubleshooting may be to start a new project and pull tracks from the problematic one until you find the issue. Another possibility is sound card settings in Windows, when doing music you should not share drivers (especially since Windows itself will get first dibs on the interface).
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Re: Noise from X3 through speakers. Solved
2015/07/17 13:05:17
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2015/07/18 01:01:13
Hi All, and thanks once more for all your replies. Problem Solved............... It seems that it was a dimmer switch in my studio. It was the first thing I tried when the hum started. However I did not realize that I had to have the switch off when I turned on the Computer. I originally checked by turning the switch off while the computer was on.....and that did not help. But if I turn the computer on with the dimmer off I have no hum. I have confirmed that by checking a few times to be sure and that seems to be it. Sweet....Silent.....no Hum.....Speakers. Thanks to you all. John
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