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Rob Ainscough
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2015/07/20 12:00:51 (permalink)

Full Version products vs. Trial version products?

Can someone provide a "definitive" guide as to what products in the Command Center are "Trial" versions or "reduced functionality" versions vs. the "full" version.  The comparison charts  doesn't seem to really say what a "Full" version is.
 
For example Dimension LE ... says "Pro" ... but "LE" indicates Limited Edition?  Also Rapture LE says "Full" but again "LE" is Limited Edition?
 
I'm basically trying to avoid installing "Trial" versions and repeating the disaster that was XLN Audio.  So I'd love to know what is listed in my Command center is "Trial" (limited version) vs. a true "Full" product.
 
Thanks, Rob.
 
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    Woodyoflop
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    Re: Full Version products vs. Trial version products? 2015/07/20 17:22:23 (permalink)
    From my experience, LE isn't necessarily a trial, its usually just a downgraded version of the full thing. A trial is usually timed for a certain number of days where as most LEs are good forever they just dont have the full capability of non-LE hence why its LIMITED  - edition.
     
    What your seeing most likely means its the Full install of the LE version. Thats all i can really think of, sorry if not very helpful thats all i can really come up with. 
     
    If you dont mind me asking, what version of Sonar did you buy? or are you doing a trial of sonar? I run platinum and in the command center i see no LEs.
     
     
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    Re: Full Version products vs. Trial version products? 2015/07/20 19:25:23 (permalink)
    I have Platinum version ... I was going to provide the product comparisons (tried to include the page link but it appears links are disabled for my forum account) which lists out what's included in Platinum.
     
    It's the "full of a limited product" that is my issue - sorta like saying Yes and No ... I don't like "limited" anything when it comes to audio production ... nothing more frustrating when in the middle of producing music to be hit up against a feature that's only available in the "Full un-limited" version, even more so if one has planned on that feature being available.
     
    After some search on Cakewalks site I was able to find Rapture Pro upgrade for $79.
     
    I was able to find Dimension Pro via Sweetwater for $99 (no upgrade pricing).
     
    But it sure would be nice if there was some easy indicator of what is missing in LE vs. Pro/Full vs. Trial etc. etc. 
     
    As far as purchasing additional sounds I can really find any complete volume of sounds from DSF Z3TA bundles, not really sure at all what if anything I want there ... I need to listen before I buy.  I guess I was hoping for a more "integrated" cloud solution where I can browse the cloud, listen to samples and buy what I need/want.  Right now it seems more like rolling the dice and see what comes up.
     
    Cheers, Rob.
    post edited by Rob Ainscough - 2015/07/20 19:32:26
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    Re: Full Version products vs. Trial version products? 2015/07/20 20:31:09 (permalink)
    Dim Pro comes with Platinum. So does Rapture. Sound Center is a waste of disk space. Its there to get users of lesser versions to upgrade.  CW included it with platinum probably because it was easier to do so then not to do so.  

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    Re: Full Version products vs. Trial version products? 2015/07/20 20:35:14 (permalink)
    The full versions of DPro and Rapture are bundled with Platinum only. Professional includes LE versions of those synths.
     
    Rapture Pro is a new product. It is an upgrade from both DPro and Rapture. In addition to new programs and content, it includes the factory content and plays all the programs from both synths. The Cakewalk store no longer sells the older synths separately.
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    Re: Full Version products vs. Trial version products? 2015/07/20 21:10:23 (permalink)
    I myself upgrade Rapture Pro around when it came out, my platinum came with Dim pro like the others said, but with Rapture pro its like all of them in one u can chagne between them in the same plugin.
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    Re: Full Version products vs. Trial version products? 2015/07/21 00:13:11 (permalink)
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    The full versions of DPro and Rapture are bundled with Platinum only. Professional includes LE versions of those synths.
     
    Rapture Pro is a new product. It is an upgrade from both DPro and Rapture. In addition to new programs and content, it includes the factory content and plays all the programs from both synths. The Cakewalk store no longer sells the older synths separately.



    Ok, just to make sure I understand:
     
    Platinum includes Dimension Pro, but NOT Rapture Pro ... which is a $79 upgrade.
     
    Thanks Rob.
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    Re: Full Version products vs. Trial version products? 2015/07/21 00:25:47 (permalink)
    Yes. Rapture Pro is a new product.
     
    The original Dimension was released with Project 5. Subsequently an upgrade to Dimension was released called Dimension Pro. Another product called Rapture was released around the same time. Years later DPro and Rapture were added to SONAR Producer and are still part of the current version of SONAR Platinum.
     
    This year a new product, Rapture Pro was introduced. It is a new sfz engine synth capable of playing both DPro and Rapture programs adding new features, programs and content.
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    Re: Full Version products vs. Trial version products? 2015/07/21 12:58:16 (permalink)
    Thank you, purchased Rapture Pro.
     
    In search of some sound libraries where I can sample the sounds before purchase ... any hints?
     
    Cheers, Rob.
     
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    Re: Full Version products vs. Trial version products? 2015/07/21 13:19:09 (permalink)
    Samples are often found at the developers' sites
    DSF https://www.digitalsoundfactory.com/
    Fisound http://fisound.com/products/universal-120/
    Galbanum http://www.galbanum.com/products/piscis/ and http://www.galbanum.com/products/secondcoming
     
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    Re: Full Version products vs. Trial version products? 2015/07/21 18:34:41 (permalink)
    Many thanks for links, I like the galbanum sets.
     
    Cheers, Rob.
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    Re: Full Version products vs. Trial version products? 2015/07/21 19:18:41 (permalink)
    scook
    Samples are often found at the developers' sites
    DSF https://www.digitalsoundfactory.com/
    Fisound http://fisound.com/products/universal-120/
    Galbanum http://www.galbanum.com/products/piscis/ and http://www.galbanum.com/products/secondcoming


    Be aware that in these cases ... they were designed for and work perfectly well with the former products ... which you have.
     
    Rapture Pro includes a new suite of samples and 'should' play all the legacy ones too. There have been some teething issues being addressed with updates.
     
    Here's the samples page for Rapture Pro:
    http://www.cakewalk.com/P...Rapture/Sound-Examples
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    Re: Full Version products vs. Trial version products? 2015/07/22 02:00:33 (permalink)
    ShellstaX
    Rapture Pro includes a new suite of samples and 'should' play all the legacy ones too. There have been some teething issues being addressed with updates.



    Thanks for the heads up.  How do I go about identifying legacy vs. new "before" I buy?
     
    Cheers, Rob.
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    Re: Full Version products vs. Trial version products? 2015/07/22 03:04:29 (permalink)
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    ShellstaX
    Rapture Pro includes a new suite of samples and 'should' play all the legacy ones too. There have been some teething issues being addressed with updates.

    Thanks for the heads up.  How do I go about identifying legacy vs. new "before" I buy?
    Cheers, Rob.



    Before you buy - Hmmm - I'll have a quick look and see if can knock up a spreadsheet easily - not aware of any full listing.
     
    Once installed - they are presented as 'Banks':
    Rapture Pro - Factory Library
    Dimension Pro - Factory Library
    Dimension Pro - User Imported (Legacy Expansions)
    Rapture Classic - Factory Library
    Rapture Classic - User Imported (Legacy Expansions)
    Expansion Pack - User
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    Re: Full Version products vs. Trial version products? 2015/07/22 03:36:33 (permalink)
    There are no new sound packs/expansions as yet for Rapture Pro, everything else, for Dim Pro and Rapture, are by nature Legacy
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    Re: Full Version products vs. Trial version products? 2015/07/22 03:38:21 (permalink)
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    There are no new sound packs/expansions as yet for Rapture Pro, everything else, for Dim Pro and Rapture, are by nature Legacy



    Not expansions  - but the Rapture Pro Factory Content is new.
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    Re: Full Version products vs. Trial version products? 2015/07/22 03:40:53 (permalink)
    Rob Ainscough
     
    Thanks for the heads up.  How do I go about identifying legacy vs. new "before" I buy?
     
    Cheers, Rob.




    If I understand your question correctly (see that you have already purchased Rapture Pro)there are currently no sound packs/expansions for Rapture Pro, all sound packs/expansions for Dimension Pro and Rapture are by nature . . . Legacy
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    Re: Full Version products vs. Trial version products? 2015/07/22 03:43:51 (permalink)
    ShellstaX
     
    Not expansions  - but the Rapture Pro Factory Content is new.




     
    Yes, that post I accidentally posted prematurely, he already owns Rapture Pro, so when he asked about identifying the difference between Legacy vs New before purchasing, I assumed he was talking about purchasing Sound Packs/Expansions
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    Re: Full Version products vs. Trial version products? 2015/07/22 03:48:38 (permalink)
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    Rob Ainscough
    Thanks for the heads up.  How do I go about identifying legacy vs. new "before" I buy?
    Cheers, Rob.

    If I understand your question correctly (see that you have already purchased Rapture Pro)there are currently no sound packs/expansions for Rapture Pro, all sound packs/expansions for Dimension Pro and Rapture are by nature . . . Legacy



    Ahhh - gotcha ... missed the purchase in post #9.
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    Re: Full Version products vs. Trial version products? 2015/07/22 10:39:00 (permalink)
    Thanks for the responses, so currently all expansion/sound packs are all legacy.
     
    Cheers, Rob.
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    Re: Full Version products vs. Trial version products? 2015/07/22 10:55:13 (permalink)
    Yup. I might expect any new ones to sport a 'designed for Rapture Pro' tag and state clearly whether they are backward compatible or not. All legacy Rapture an DimPro packs should be forward compatible.
    (to be sure of a quick fallback position - secure an initial backup and/or esp LFOs, MultiSamples and Programs).
     
    For an excellent freebie (more than starter) put on Muz3um for Rapture from PatchArena (courtesy of Francesco and Chad).
    http://patcharena.com/synth-resources/cakewalk-rapture/
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    Re: Full Version products vs. Trial version products? 2015/07/22 11:48:10 (permalink)
    You quote of $99 for Dim Pro?  seems way off  as I bought it a year ago from Cakewalk store for $14.99 
    At the time I had X3 Studio which only had Dim pro LE. So must have been an upgrade price. I imagine $99 would be for someone who did not have LE already. 
     
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    Re: Full Version products vs. Trial version products? 2015/07/22 12:34:17 (permalink)
    Another question ... Z3TA+2 is not the same as Z3TA+ classic that comes with Platinum?
     
    Cactus Music
    You quote of $99 for Dim Pro?  seems way off  as I bought it a year ago from Cakewalk store for $14.99 
     



    Dimension Pro comes with Sonar Platinum ... $99 is for the Rapture Pro upgrade.
     
    Cheers, Rob.
     
     
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    Re: Full Version products vs. Trial version products? 2015/07/22 12:39:33 (permalink)
    Rob Ainscough
    Another question ... Z3TA+2 is not the same as Z3TA+ classic that comes with Platinum?

    That is correct.
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    Re: Full Version products vs. Trial version products? 2015/07/22 13:28:36 (permalink)
    Thanks for clarification ... I do wish Cakewalk would make this a little more clear in their "Comparisons chart".  I realize it's marketing "look at all these extras you get" ... but for "Platinum" (top tier) I'd rather not have hunt and search and try to figure out what is and isn't a "true" full version .... maybe add another tier "Titanium".
     
    Thanks for all the help, appreciate it.  I "think" I'm sorted now.
     
    Cheers, Rob.
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