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Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...)

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I keep going back to my Motif 6 (Classic) for just being able to get some really nice sounds going in a hurry. I keep thinking I'll replace them with softsynths somewhere down the line, but it's just so nice not having to worry about--anything, really. They just sound good. I have what amounts to an expensive and far better than your typical TTS-1 or GM module at my disposal, plus lots of other sounds.
 
Hardware synths seem to be kind of passé these days, or maybe not. What do you think? I don't think I'd give up my Motif for many hundreds of dollars' worth of synths.
 
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    TheMaartian
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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/07/20 19:50:54 (permalink)
    I agree it would be nice to be able to play without loading a VI and playing MIDI through it. And no, hardware synths are anything but dead (just check out the latest issue of Keyboard). I would love to have an 88-key stage keyboard like a Yamaha CP4, but they list over $3k, so I "make do".

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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/07/20 20:01:47 (permalink)
    I still use my Korg 05/RW becauseI know it better than anything else. And besides, I'm still getting my $1,400 worth out of it! 
    It remains as my favourite tone genorator for those big fat wide synths.. Even the drums were not bad if you tweeked them with some reverb. I wish I had bought the keyboard version what ever that was at the time. 

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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/07/21 00:08:04 (permalink)
    I must admit that not being tethered to a computer can be rather liberating. I have walked off with a guitar in hand to be free of the "computer distraction" more times than I can count. Unfortunately I only have MIDI controllers these days, so I am very much tethered using one (and my patience threshold for MIDI issues is fairly low these days).

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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/07/21 07:08:02 (permalink)
    Cactus Music
    And besides, I'm still getting my $1,400 worth out of it! 




    I've not turned my 05R/W on for quite a few years.
     
    And $1,400? Did you really pay that much?
     
    Are we even talking about the same thing?
     

     
    I think I paid about £400 for mine.
     
    Are you perhaps talking about the 01R/W?
     


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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/07/21 10:57:41 (permalink)
    The Motif sounds less dated than the Triton and Trinity series of sounds from the same era. I still have all of those keyboards and rack mount sound modules... I haven't turned them on in years, but I know someday I'm probably going to use them again. 
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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/07/22 20:57:53 (permalink)
    Nope it's the 05/rw.. and it was 1980's GAS.  I bought one of the first on the market to replace my MT 32 ( better known as the EMPTY 32) 
    I bought it in Spokane Washington. I think the US price was $1,250. but then I would have paid exchange and duty at the border. 
    400 UK would have only been a little over $800 CAN back then. 
    Prices always fall way down after a year on the market and especially hi tech stuff. Back then every year made huge improvments in synth technology. The transition from analog to weird types of sound sources like FM resulted in some terrible stuff. 
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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/07/23 10:42:20 (permalink)
    My 12-year-old Yamaha MO8 gets used regularly here. If you've heard any of my tunes you'll know I'm a fan of the saxophone as a lead instrument. That's not some fancy Kontakt library you hear in there, it's one of three factory MO8/Motif patches that I routinely turn to for sax. 
     
    Here's why I prefer the hardware ROMpler over sample libraries: the complete lack of latency allows for more expressive playing. The believability of a sampled instrument is 90% expression and 10% sample quality.


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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/07/24 02:17:13 (permalink)
    Hi-
     
    Thanks for all the feedback! I have several piano VSTis, for example, and I keep going back to the Motif's piano sounds. Likewise, for a basic soft electronic keyboard sound, I like "Sweetness," etc., etc. And Dave, I completely agree with you about the lack of latency being key.
     
    I had a DX7 before the Motif, and of course that's been referenced and emulated many, many times. I guess what got me thinking about this was passing on the Rapture Pro deal and then realizing that I pretty much have more than I need already with what I've already got!
     
    Thanks again-
     
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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/07/24 11:05:08 (permalink)
    Does anyone know what the latency is between hardware midi devices? I tried to google this and it's page after page of computer interface midi latency. All the info is about DAW latency and no matter how I word the question I get the same pages. 
    But I do remember there is a tiny bit like .5 ms and it grows if you use midi thru. 
    So I'm wondering if a set up like mine where the controllers midi goes thru the audio interface input / output ports then goes to the Korg is as low in latency as directly plugging the controller into the Korg? I certainly can't tell the differance but I'm not a keyboard player.. 
    It seems to trigger the Korg the same as it triggers any given soft synth. So this also seems to depend on how you've set Sonar. I only have a obvious issue if I have the LP 64 multi band going. 
     
     

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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/07/24 12:04:50 (permalink)
    MIDI standards:
    One start bit, eight data bits, and one stop bit result in a maximum transmission rate of 3125 bytes per second
    The status byte determines the length of most messages, which are usually one, two, or three bytes in length
     
    so at 3 bytes per message you'd get about 1042 messages per second, which puts each message at less than 1msec per message worst case, with about 320usec best case (that's 320micro seconds, or 0.32millisecs).
     
    Using MIDI thru will make the times add up, but you can overcome that using a MIDI clock driver.

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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/07/24 13:21:58 (permalink)
    bitflipper
     
    The believability of a sampled instrument is 90% expression and 10% sample quality.


    The same can be said for guitars too.
     
    I'm sure Carlos Santana on a Silvertone guitar and amp can whip my cajones even if I was playing a PRS thru a Mesa Boogie.
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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/07/25 11:05:13 (permalink)
    Thanks Reese, That jogged my memory. It's all about how much data you try and cram down the pipe. That's why we often had dropouts and stuck notes when playing big sequences live. 
    And we soon found out that you should avoid using midi thru to daisy chain. I bought a Roland A 880 midi patch bay back then and everything was routed through that. I still have my Yamaha midi merge box for input.  


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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/07/25 19:12:54 (permalink)
    I never had any significant midi latency back in the day, with a whole rack of hardware synths and effects, all daisy-chained with midi cables.
     
    I always keep at least 1 actual real keyboard with its own on-board sounds, so that if gigging and the computer goes belly up, I can still produce sounds from that keyboard until the end of a set, and can deal with whatever happened to the computer in between sets.  Our band always had a list of tunes we could thrown into any set, if there was a computer failure, where my local sounds would suffice.
     
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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/07/30 02:51:42 (permalink)
    I used my Roland Fantom X6 on every session for years but last year it went into mothballs when I bought SampleTank3 which gives me most of the non-drums sounds I need.  For drums and percussion I use Addictive Drums2 or EZDrummer.

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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/07/30 05:51:08 (permalink)
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    MIDI standards:
    One start bit, eight data bits, and one stop bit result in a maximum transmission rate of 3125 bytes per second
    The status byte determines the length of most messages, which are usually one, two, or three bytes in length
     
    so at 3 bytes per message you'd get about 1042 messages per second, which puts each message at less than 1msec per message worst case, with about 320usec best case (that's 320micro seconds, or 0.32millisecs).
     
    Using MIDI thru will make the times add up, but you can overcome that using a MIDI clock driver.


    In real terms, this means the first note you play will sound almost instantly, and even if you're playing the fastest keyboard solo possible each (single) note will sound almost instantly.
    But try to send several notes at once (a big chord using all 11 fingers) and the last note could be delayed by up to 5ms  (approx. 0.5ms per note for a standard 'note on' message)

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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/07/30 06:25:13 (permalink)
    In absolute agreement..
     
    My S70XS (motif based stage piano sans sequencer), Fantom G & Virus are out 100% of the time, and i dont see them going anywhere at all...
     
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    I keep going back to my Motif 6 (Classic) for just being able to get some really nice sounds going in a hurry. I keep thinking I'll replace them with softsynths somewhere down the line, but it's just so nice not having to worry about--anything, really. They just sound good. I have what amounts to an expensive and far better than your typical TTS-1 or GM module at my disposal, plus lots of other sounds.
     
    Hardware synths seem to be kind of passé these days, or maybe not. What do you think? I don't think I'd give up my Motif for many hundreds of dollars' worth of synths.
     
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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/07/30 10:47:09 (permalink)
    Karyn

    ... using all 11 fingers ...



    LOL... I can never manage this feat!

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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/07/30 11:03:14 (permalink)
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    Karyn

    ... using all 11 fingers ...



    LOL... I can never manage this feat!



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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/08/05 15:42:22 (permalink)
    I currently have a Yamaha DX11 (guess what, Yamaha just resurrected a 4 operator FM Synth, it's officially vintage now) I use as a controller with a Yamaha EX5R, the direct predecessor of the motif. What I loved (and still do) is the fact that it has 4 synth engines, 1 of which is the VL model. It models the physical properties of instruments (like a sax body, reeds, etc.) With a breath controller and my GR10 guitar to midi box, I can make some unbelievable trumpet, sax and flute sounds. the breath is the key.  evertyhing patched through a midisport 8x8/s. 
    Also on call is a Proteus 1, which is not so great for realistic instruments, but has some killer sound effects. HARDWARE IS NOT DEAD BY A LONG SHOT.

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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/08/11 02:02:56 (permalink)
    After a couple of software companies stiffed me (NI Kore, Muse etc etc) I actually got my old hardware out - now my total set up is based around hardware - I have also managed to buy a number of hardware synths, although this is getting more difficult now as the prices are going up all the time.
    So for me, Hardware lives!
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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/08/30 14:51:36 (permalink)
    I forgot to mention that I also got off a friend recently a Korg Delta - wow what a great synth - never really heard of the Delta until I was offered it - have had great fun getting into it and incorporating it into the set up
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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/08/31 21:48:17 (permalink)
    Seems I've bought every soft synth known to man some days
    But I still use my Motif ES rack - great sounds & less hassle to get them
     

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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/09/05 15:58:33 (permalink)
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    I bought a Roland A 880 midi patch bay back then and everything was routed through that.   





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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/09/10 13:22:35 (permalink)
    I have one of these - good piece of kit and a shame they stopped making it!
    If you want anything like this now, you have to buy second hand - picked up a few like that (all varying makes!) to hook all my synths up to my Motu Express which in turn links to my Computer
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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/09/15 14:52:59 (permalink)
    I said above that you have to buy second hand if you want a midi patching / splitter  solution - well blow me down with the proverbial feather, but I was browsing Sweetwater just now for something and found this.
    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MIDIthru8
     
    Brand new and about US$169 - wow
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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/09/18 15:12:53 (permalink)
    Although I do use vsti's for certain things, I've got 8 or 9 hardware synths/keyboards that I prefer to use wherever and whenever possible. The "hands on" appeal is a big thing, and if they offer up the type of sounds I'm in need of, then they win!
     
     
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    Re: Maybe I'm crazy (and I don't know where to put this, but...) 2015/09/19 10:10:55 (permalink)
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    I said above that you have to buy second hand if you want a midi patching / splitter  solution - well blow me down with the proverbial feather, but I was browsing Sweetwater just now for something and found this.
    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MIDIthru8
     
    Brand new and about US$169 - wow
    Nigel
     


    If you only need to drive 4 devices, there's a 1->4 splitter for just 50 bucks.
     
    It's become a niche market nowadays, but a small company called MIDI Solutions still makes 5-pin DIN MIDI devices, most of which are powered right off the MIDI port itself (no batteries or wall-warts!). I use their 2-to-1 MIDI Merger so I can drive my VoiceLive Touch from two keyboards onstage.


    All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. 

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