Why does Cakewalk [refuse] to update highly outdated midi record feature?

This has been a thorn in my side for some years now about Sonar and overdub midi recording. Cakewalk for some unknown reason, has refused to update this relic feature of Sonar- where you have to bounce to midi clips if you want a singular midi file. If you program drums by means of midi loop recording, where you add more parts as you record... the new midi parts are merely stacked on top of each other, because Sonar has never featured overdub midi recording like EVERY DAW on the market does.
 
Having to bounce to clips is irritating, extra work-that's a workflow killer. This is why I rarely use the program and have no need to upgrade to any future editions. It would be nice if they added *auto bounce to clips* or a shortcut key at the very least! Better yet... a new drum machine sequencer that offers step recording as well as real-time input with a switchable piano roll/ step sequencer view. Cakewalk would get a lot more users of electronic music and other styles by implementing better midi features. Stop leaving yourselves behind the competition Cakewalk!

Not sure I see this as a "workflow killer" . . . but I probably don't have the same workflow as you.
I kind of like seeing the new bits of midi I've just recorded on top of the existing clips, and it only takes a few seconds for midi to bounce to clips (though I usually only do it for keeping it all neat and tidy) But hey, I'm all for reducing the amount of mouse clicks in my day.
 
I like your idea of an "auto bounce to clips" option, one checkbox to mouse click, in order to save ~100 mouse clicks.
And you could turn it on or off . . . hmmm that's another tiny detail to remember.
Like Bob says, post it in the Features & Ideas forum, I'll vote. . . . though if you "rarely use the program and have no need to upgrade to any future editions" . . . why bother ?

robert_e_bone
I would suggest you post a feature request in the Features & Ideas forum. 

 
The request already exists...
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Auto-merge-of-Midi-when-loop-recording-m3147500.aspx
 

Doesn't the step sequencer already allow for real-time layering?

Or spend an extra $50 compared to Nerve (which is $200), and get Fxpansion Geist. Or use SONAR's step sequencer, and buy a whole lot of sushi dinners 

Anderton
Or spend an extra $50 compared to Nerve (which is $200), and get Fxpansion Geist. Or use SONAR's step sequencer, and buy a whole lot of sushi dinners 

Thanks guys for the responses! Glad to see the feature request has been made previously, but I also filled out the recent Cakewalk surveys where I addressed the issue. I do have programs like NI's *MASCHINE* and a host of other DAWS that have midi overdubbing. I tried the step-sequencer, but It doesn't record real-time performance? I'm not a step record user at all.
 
Spencer is likely correct in his assessment about waiting..LOL. I would just like to use the software I bought. It's just hard for me to fire up Sonar knowing that it's the only DAW among the competition that records midi like it's audio. It's like having to constantly get up to change channels directly on a TV because you lost the remote!
 
Thinking about it...  Sonar is like the days before remotes- where you had to manually change channels by turning a rotary knob every single time you wanted to watch something else. Imagine your cable or satellite provider had boxes with these old rotary clickers instead of remotes. Click your way threw 200+ channels with no way to go directly to a channel... this would be Un-logical for a company to do when the competition has remotes, but Cakewalk apparently sees the logic in holding on to their old rotary clicker! Ok... rant is officially over!

mettelus
Doesn't the step sequencer already allow for real-time layering?

Layering, yes, but for drum machine style, real time normally refers to recording a pattern as you listen to it, and hit (add or replace) notes at the right time of the beat, either with the keyboard or a drum pad. This gives a natural feeling of really playing the beat, pretty similar to regular track recording, but, upon looping and if you hit a note on top of an existing note (as sorted by the quantize setting), the new notes will replace over the old ones.
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...equencer-m3250938.aspx

Even though I would not use it myself, I think an auto-bounce option would be a nice feature.
 
At least, it sounds like a good idea. You might find that it causes you more work, though. As it is, having separate clips for each take/overdub gives you more options, e.g. deciding to abandon or re-do a dub after the fact, auditioning multiple versions by selectively muting clips, or dragging clips into a new track to assign to a different instrument. 
 
But I'd have no complaints if a) it was optional and b) not the default behavior.
 
kine321, if you don't mind I'm going to move this thread into Feature Requests where it belongs.

The funny thing is, if you go into Piano Roll and add in MIDI events manually, it will automatically add those events to an existing nearby clip, whether you want it to or not, with no apparent control over which clip it chooses. So we get the worst of both worlds in that regard.
 
And yes, bring back layers. Take Lanes are the wrong metaphor for what I use overlapping clips for.

bitflipper
Even though I would not use it myself, I think an auto-bounce option would be a nice feature.
 
At least, it sounds like a good idea. You might find that it causes you more work, though. As it is, having separate clips for each take/overdub gives you more options, e.g. deciding to abandon or re-do a dub after the fact, auditioning multiple versions by selectively muting clips, or dragging clips into a new track to assign to a different instrument. 
 
But I'd have no complaints if a) it was optional and b) not the default behavior.
 
kine321, if you don't mind I'm going to move this thread into Feature Requests where it belongs.

I don't mind where the post goes, It's all about exposure. As far as auto-bounce... I thought it may be easier for it to be implemented (as an option) since overdub seems to be a technical issue for them to implement. I envision several ways for auto-bounce to be used. You can have a pop-up... ask to bounce clips dialog box, or there can be auto-bounce- which would serve as a workaround for over-dubbing, or a good option of a shortcut key to do the job.
 
I don't mind stacked clips, but the issue is- they can easily be moved by accident in the wrong position. The other problem is making them into groove clips being stacked like that. Another good option is having auto glued clips
where they are stacked, but stay glued in position with the option to bounce to clips with a shortcut key. Having a  *clips- take manager* would help with navigating the stacked clips for editing in the piano roll or drum editor.
 
There are so many ways Cakewalk can advance it's midi, without taking away familiar workflows. I've seen a number of negative comments about- PRO-TOOLS, not being a good choice for midi (attitudes may be different now) so these folks mostly used it for audio production. Although, Cakewalk has named themselves as a leading DAW, I never see them mentioned or endorsed by big name producers like the competition is. I want to see Sonar up there with Logic, Protools, Cubase and other Daws that's always mentioned. Even Reaper seems to be mentioned in the media more than Sonar. I think better midi will help propel Sonar in getting far more customers and respect.

kine321
I don't mind where the post goes, It's all about exposure.

I get you.. Forum rules though are no dupes so voting does not get watered down however (the guy on the other thread will see his post disappear along with his votes). What should happen now is this post should get merged.

At this stage I doubt they will get merged!