bitman
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Solved: New Sonar strangeness.
I have a tune I'm working on. In this tune if I click on the time line while it's playing Sonar will drop out. If I click a marker in the marker list Sonar Drops out. When it drops out, a space gets it all going again. The song has 20 tracks 10 buses, superior drummer, moderate effect count. Moreover, sometimes space won't stop it and the transport stop won't stop it but the pause button lights up and clicking it will stop and start play though the pause light never goes out. Also when it's in this condition, the rewind button and W don't work but the slider thingy under the transport buttons will rewind it all. AFAIK this has been like this for a good while. I am running 1024 buffers in ASIO mode on a TERRATEC EWS88D. QUAD XEON Dell Precision - win 7 32bit 4 gb ram sata drives - separate audio drive and system/samples. I used to run a commercial studio with this setup and THIS stuff never happened but that was back on 8.5 / X1. Seems to only be this song but it's rockin and I don't want to trouble shoot the song just just wanna get Sonar to play and stop it like it should. It doesn't start out doing this, just after a while, maybe a half an hour. It also will crash alot when inserting and deleting plugs as if it's all on the rickety edge. What can I tweak. DPC is nice and steady in the green by the way.
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rejonzin
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Re: New Sonar strangeness.
2015/08/04 23:15:23
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Have you tried putting you project files on a different drive than the one sonar lives on, sounds like audio engine drop outs.
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rejonzin
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Re: New Sonar strangeness.
2015/08/04 23:17:44
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Have you tried putting you project files on a different drive than the one sonar lives on, sounds like audio engine drop outs.
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Re: New Sonar strangeness.
2015/08/04 23:23:32
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If you are having transport issues this points to your audio interface drivers and firmware. Update them. Whilst you are at it run windows update everywhere.
If you are running ASIO4ALL please uninstall it completely.
What happens if you disable all the plugins? If it works it could point to a specific plugin so rule that out.
I also suggest you check the windows event viewer for errors.
Another thing to try is latencymon.
You may need to up your midi buffers in Sonar preferences.
Otherwise with 32 bit windows the max you can address is 4gb RAM anyway. This is really the bare minimum. It could be you are on the limit and you need to consider a system upgrade.
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bitman
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Re: New Sonar strangeness.
2015/08/05 00:08:16
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rejonzin
Have you tried putting you project files on a different drive than the one sonar lives on, sounds like audio engine drop outs.
It is an Audio engine drop out. Sonar is on C: Audio files on D:
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bitman
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Re: New Sonar strangeness.
2015/08/08 23:24:42
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The weird action with the transport were dying batteries on my wireless keyboard.
The "click the timeline while playing dropout" is still there and constant.
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: New Sonar strangeness.
2015/08/08 23:27:21
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Did you bother to read my post?
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Re: New Sonar strangeness.
2015/08/09 01:56:32
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Dropouts when moving the transport position during playback may be due to buffers running dry because the disk read isn't fast enough in a project with a lot of audio tracks. Have you lowered your Disk I/O buffers? I'm not sure what the default is anymore, but mine are at 256kB, and that seems to work well. A larger ASIO buffer may require larger disk buffers.
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Re: New Sonar strangeness.
2015/08/09 02:09:53
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+1 to trying a change in buffer size. Too large can be just as bad as too small.
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bitman
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Re: New Sonar strangeness.
2015/08/09 08:32:22
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Huh. I'll try that. I recently went from 128 to the (safe and sane?) 1024 which was always my happy spot.
Thanks.
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Re: New Sonar strangeness.
2015/08/09 11:12:45
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Um, that's an awful lot of stuff going on with 32-bit and only 4 gigs.....
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Re: New Sonar strangeness.
2015/08/10 03:52:51
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Yup, I'd say check that you're not running out of memory and forcing the OS to do some painfully-slow page swapping. The first thing I'd do would be bounce down Superior Drummer or at least drop its voice count down to the minimum, and see if that helps.
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bitman
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Re: New Sonar strangeness.
2015/08/10 08:28:40
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Well as you all may know, Splat will not start for me anymore. (Gloucester startup crash thread).
So I opened the file in good old dusty rusty X3e.
It plays, I can hop around the timeline, and loop without drop out.
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Re: New Sonar strangeness.
2015/08/10 09:52:03
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Are you at a point where you could free up resources that this project is using (freeze/bounce)? Even if you try that as just a test (by creating a test copy of the project and working on that so that you don't adversely change your real project).
I think this project may have bit too much going on for the available ability of your system to process it all. Freeing up resources may make it possible to have playback perform without the dropouts.
Successive releases of most software usually results in them providing more functionality/features, but that also usually means they require a bit more system resources - memory & CPU, and while that can usually be absorbed on a computer where there is enough memory to handle the increase, for computers already pushing the edge of their limits, there may only be so much you can do - other than to lessen the demand on the memory and CPU power that is there.
You might also consider a test of loading this project (your test copy of it) in Sonar's 'safe mode', and skipping the load of all of the effects. Again, this would be just for a test, to see if that would lessen the project's 'load' on the system, hopefully resulting in proper playback.
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bitman
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Re: New Sonar strangeness.
2015/08/10 11:40:48
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Bob,
I'll freeze sup drummer - the only synth there and see how that goes.
It's country so we have oh and eq here a comp there some delay. Nothing so heavy
I guess I could look up and see where the CPU meter is too huh. Yeah that would be good.
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Re: New Sonar strangeness.
2015/08/18 09:01:30
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Can you please list the plugins loaded into this project?
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bitman
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Re: New Sonar strangeness.
2015/08/18 22:31:28
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Oh I'm sure it's one of em. Prolly the old uad-1 stuff. I'm just so enamored with my song I don't care much about the drop outs right now. I'll address it later. Thanks for your concern though. The drop outs are happening in this file with x3 where it's going to stay. The CacheHash crash episode has me a little leery of the new stuff for now.
post edited by bitman - 2015/08/18 22:43:04
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Re: New Sonar strangeness.
2015/08/21 11:08:54
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I generally run with my ASIO Buffer Size set to 128 for recording, and then bump it to 1024 or 2048 when Mixing/Mastering.
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bitman
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Re: New Sonar strangeness.
2016/01/08 16:47:57
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This issue is solved! yay! man, that was a pita!
I replaced my old sata data drive with a new(er) one copying the files over (This by default does a defrag too).
Now I can click all over the time line while the project is playing and it does not drop out any longer.
It's been so long I'll have to get used to being able to do this again!
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