How to disable CC Value Controller handle?

Will this help?
 

 
You don't have to hold down any modifier key while drawing the data (if you want to draw freely). Just select the Smart Tool beforehand (by hitting F5), and disable the snap resolution button in the upper right corner.

I think the problem is that the tool tries to grab existing values if the cursor is close enough, and that prevents graceful drawing.    I've complained about it frequently.     The smart tool in PRV controller lanes is just too dumb for use.    You have to go way outside the current value to start drawing, and then draw up or down into your chosen area.   Waste of time, as per sonar usual.     Look at nearly any other DAW, this function is handled better.

No.  The only difference is the draw tool does nothing in that grab area near last value, while dumb tool grabs the last value and moves it.  Neither allow fine editing of values near the prior value.

williamcopper
I think the problem is that the tool tries to grab existing values if the cursor is close enough.

Let's say the controller value is 60. The Smart Tool will try to "grab" if the cursor gets one value away (e.g., 59 or 61). But if it grabs at 61 and you move very slightly upward, you can continue drawing from a value of 61. Same with 59 if you move in the opposite direction.
 
So I think the main issue you're experiencing isn't about resolution or the grab/not grab per se, but that if you really need to be within one value, it's easy only if you can expand the controller lane track height. Because you can't set the height for each controller lane independently, if you use a lot of controllers in the PRV, you end up with a narrow strip where it's at least difficult, if not impossible, to be precise.
 
However, the in-line controller editing in Track View doesn't have that limitation. You can choose to see and work on only a single controller, and the "lane" height can be as high as the track view allows. This is another area where the D keyboard shortcut is helpful, as you can switch over to an expanded, single controller view in Track View where you can be very precise. One of the cool benefits of editing this way is that if you want, you can see all the controllers overlaid on each other (or not) but edit only one. You can also choose whether to show notes, with or without velocity tails. The Track View's inline editor is extremely useful when you need to edit lots of complex controller data. It's one of many functions in SONAR where it's important to use the right tool for the right job.
 
 
 
To gain the same functionality in the main PRV would require a feature request. I think one of the following would likely do the job (in order of my personal preference). 

• Be able to show/hide individual controller lanes
• Have MIDI Microscope work in controller lanes
• Hold down shift (or whatever) for "fine tuning" cursor movements

However in some ways I think it's easier just to hit D and instantly access a "widescreen" controller editor rather than do the above.

brundlefly

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brundlefly
Draw tool doesn't address this need?

The Draw tool turns into an Arrow...

That's the Smart tool in draw mode. I'm talking about the dedicated Draw tool (F9); it does not change modes, and will let you draw a controller value as close to another as you like.

Dave,
I was describing the Draw tool (F9) behavior in my post and not the Smart tool (F5).  The Draw tool turns into a single-headed pointer Arrow (Select tool appearance) when it approaches the controller handle and performs no function at all.  The Smart tool turns into a double-headed vertical arrow when it approaches the controller handle.
 
EDIT:  That's how it works on my system anyway. 
 
-- Ron

brundlefly
I don't see your "whopping 10% of the usable resolution" increments until the lane is down to ~1/2" where you probably wouldn't be trying to work at high precision anyway.

 
No problem.  I'll just strikeout the line that contains the "whopping" opinion in my post.  The rest of the post is fact based on my system with a 1280 x 1024 screen.
 
-- Ron

williamcopper
And while Anderton's picture shows nice curves independent of each other, that's not what my tracks look like:   there is a great deal of overlap, so it's nearly impossible to tell what's what in the inline prv with multiple controllers viewed. 

You can isolate the view to a single controller; and with multiple controllers, the edit filter means that you'll affect only the chosen controller.
 

williamcopper
On my system, in PRV controller pane, there's a range of 7 ticks in a normal sized (largish, expanded for controller management) pane where the grab function grabs; it's not so much getting precisely at 1 above or below, it's that I never want to grab, and yet anywhere near the existing value, the smart tool grabs and the draw tool refuses to start drawing.   There is NO TOOL that allows draw without grab! The inline prv grabs too, though it seems to allow closer approach.

With either view, you can get within 1 value without grabbing. If you want to continue drawing a controller and not have a discontinuity, that's why the grab happens when there's a 0 pixel differential. I don't see the problem of not grabbing unless there's a 0 value differential. However I do see the problem of needing a high track height to make this comfortable, which is why I recommended the inline PRV as the main PRV won't let you do that with lots of controllers..
 
Whether or not this is exactly what you want with the main PRV, you're not going to get a revised PRV tomorrow. I'm not telling you you're wrong to want what you want, merely offering the suggestion that if you work with the inline PRV as described, it should make matters much easier for you once you get the hang of it.

First, in my previous post I meant "value," not "pixel." Sorry about that, I went and corrected my original post. I should never post before morning coffee 
 

williamcopper
There is NO TOOL that allows draw without grab!

 
That's not true, you can use the Draw tool to draw controller envelopes in the inline view (or use the Smart tool for when you do need to grab and continue drawing without discontinuities). 
 

williamcopperSelecting a controller to view in that area gives a drop down list that on my project is about 100 elements long ... a bit much for selecting one controller (because each controller for each damn midi channel-as-understood-by-sonar is listed)

 
When creating an envelope, you can just type in the controller number you want, choose the MIDI channel from the drop-down menu, and it's created. After the envelope is created, SONAR show the active envelopes in bold when making a selection with the edit filter, and places all active controllers at the top of the menu.
 

 

williamcopperAnd while Anderton's picture shows nice curves independent of each other, that's not what my tracks look like:   there is a great deal of overlap, so it's nearly impossible to tell what's what in the inline prv with multiple controllers viewed.

 
Referring to the picture above, the envelope you want to edit displays as a color; the others are black, in the background, and cannot be edited due to the edit filter selection. So it's very easy to see the envelope you want to edit, and it's also impossible to edit the wrong envelope, unless you select the wrong envelope accidentally from the drop-down menu.
 
Note that if you've already created controllers in the PRV, with the drop-down menu under Clips you can convert them into Envelopes and continue working on them as envelopes.  
 

williamcopperHence: better PRV controller pane, please. The whole notion of grab for controllers is flawed, it should be a special function: I have so often messed up earlier settings by accidental grab, and have no way to know without lengthy research what the original value should have been (undo isn't informative enough to say WHICH controller change was the erroneous one).

 
Don't know if there's already a feature request on this in the appropriate forum but you can certainly start one - just be specific in how you define "better" and the changes required to implement that. For now, the bottom line is there are three very different ways to deal with controllers, and it appears to me like you're currently using the option that's least suited to what you want to do.
 
The main disadvantage of using a track's inline controller envelope compared to the main PRV is you need to select the controller you want to edit from the Edit Filter's drop-down menu; you can't just go to a strip and start editing. But the Edit Filter is also what makes a specific controller so readily visible and locks out other controllers for editing (and showing the active controllers in bold makes selection pretty simple).
 
Another advantage is if you really want to get detailed, you can create smooth curves between envelope points - a very quick way to create crescendos and decrescendos.

I understand it's tough to change habits and "muscle memory," but I thought it was great when SONAR added in-line track editing so I then had three choices of how to do controller editing. I choose whichever method is appropriate. For one or two controllers - main PRV. To see a PRV-type display but one where all the waveforms are in the same plane so the timing relationships between them are obvious, and to have nice high view instead of narrow strips - in-line PRV. For very complex situations where are tons of controllers, converting them to envelopes is really efficient. To me, it's always worth being confused for a day to two to save weeks over time. As the French would say, "Reculer pour mieux sauter."