joyof60
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Track Icons
From the 'Just because I'd like to know' Dept., When I recover a project from a crash, (which happens 'all the phreaking time' to me) why do some of my Icons come back fuzzy or out of focus? When I restore them they are fine, but initially they are bad fuzzy. the tracks work OK, just curious about the icons....
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Keni
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Re: Track Icons
2015/08/12 15:05:01
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This has been an issue for quite some time with icons getting weird... But as it doesn't actually hurt the track or the actual music, I'm guessing it's low on the priority list for investigation/repair...
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Re: Track Icons
2015/08/12 15:09:03
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I see it often too, and it doesn't require a crash.
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Anderton
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Re: Track Icons
2015/08/12 15:59:03
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Probably more important to figure out why you're crashing all the time compared to the track icon situation.
FWIW I make almost all my own track icons, and don't have the "track icon weirdness" problem. Don't know if it's coincidence or not.
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joyof60
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Re: Track Icons
2015/08/13 03:08:42
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Yup, 'bout given up on figuring out the crashes, many hours spent on many forums, support, knowledgebas docs etc. . Kinda like my tinnitus, learning to live with it. The tracks stay good, no problem with the tunes, just curious. (A little spark of hope that they might lead to an answer bout the constant crashing, but, if ya expect the worst, your rarely disappointed. ) thanks for the response. Good to know its not just me, thanks again!
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shawn@trustmedia.tv
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Re: Track Icons
2015/08/13 03:59:51
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Mr. Anderton I haven't looked into this but you've got me curious what do you use to make your own track icons??? :) -Shawn
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Re: Track Icons
2015/08/13 14:13:36
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ive got some really cool icons. custom made for my own guitars, bass, exc.
though back to the issue, poor resolution on icons can sometimes be a video driver issue.
try to look for latest updates.
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Re: Track Icons
2015/08/13 14:48:35
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Re: Track Icons
2015/08/13 16:41:54
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Mr. Anderton I haven't looked into this but you've got me curious what do you use to make your own track icons??? :) -Shawn
https://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR%20X3&language=3&help=Arranging.09.html
Hmm... It mentions that the 0,0 pixel is used as the transparency color. I wonder if this is the source of the "problem". My experience is that only certain track icons get futzed up. Perhaps it's the color of the 0,0 pixel. Or...you might sidestep it all by doing this... Cakewalk.ini: [WinCake] IconTopLeftPixelTransparent=0 ...and disabling the transparency behavior altogether (that is...if it is indeed a transparency issue). Also...why do they recommend 128x128 bitmaps...and then, in the same article recommend 96x96 pixel 24 bit? (Or...maybe it's the bit depth?) Could someone who's in front of their music machine verify this?
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Anderton
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Re: Track Icons
2015/08/13 18:37:49
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Also...why do they recommend 128x128 bitmaps...and then, in the same article recommend 96x96 pixel 24 bit?
(Or...maybe it's the bit depth?) I'm surprised by that as well. I make 96 x 96 pixel track icons...maybe that's why I don't have issues?
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Re: Track Icons
2015/08/13 18:53:14
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Mr. Anderton I haven't looked into this but you've got me curious what do you use to make your own track icons??? :) -Shawn
I take a screen shot that contains what I want to "iconize," then crop to a square that contains what I want to show. I then use GIMP to scale it to 96 x 96. I often bump up the contrast or saturation a bit, because...well, because I can. I contributed a lot of new soft synth track icons to SONAR 2015. I tried to focus on the most distinctive part of the instrument so you can see at a glance what it is.
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Re: Track Icons
2015/08/13 19:06:33
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The one's I've made are 96x96. From the Doc:
Create or edit a graphics file in .bmp format, preferably 128 by 128 pixels.
You can use any image as a track icon. You can use any size image, but for best results scale the image to 128 pixels square. Images must be in the .bmp format
And later:
If you want to create custom track icons, we recommend that you author them as 96x96 pixel 24-bit bitmaps (.BMP).
I actually have one icon that for some reason is 245x245 and it works. So theoretically size shouldn't matter. There are old threads about icon pixellating or degrading. I don't think it's ever been resolved or even a cause found. Maybe this is related.
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dantarbill
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Re: Track Icons
2015/08/13 19:07:15
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My money is riding on it being a transparency issue. So...any pixel in the image that has the same color value as the 0,0 pixel renders as transparent. The pixel pushers that are making their own icons are manipulating photographs. With 24 bit pixel depth, the likelihood of any pixel color matching any other exactly is perhaps low. So...I'm betting that the doityerselfers aren't having issues because they're not trying to do transparency.
Can anyone contraindicate my conclusion?
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Re: Track Icons
2015/08/13 19:26:30
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Anderton
dantarbill
Also...why do they recommend 128x128 bitmaps...and then, in the same article recommend 96x96 pixel 24 bit?
(Or...maybe it's the bit depth?)
I'm surprised by that as well. I make 96 x 96 pixel track icons...maybe that's why I don't have issues?
Funny... I've wondered the same since reading it too... My thought is that as it can actually be any size and Sonar will display it within the allocated space. So either can be used. They are both fairly common sizes for many uses. I think that the difference in resolution between the two when displayed in the 32/48 default space might be associated with the scrambled image issue? Just thinking...
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