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2015/08/17 16:45:15 (permalink)

Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?

Sorry if I'm missing something obvious, but I'm running Sonar Platinum x64 on Windows 7 x64 SP1 and I'm really satisfied with the system stability and operating environment.  What incentive do I have to migrate to Win 10?  Grateful for any enlightenment.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/17 16:51:03 (permalink)
I honestly was in the same boat as you. Due to some issues i rebuilt a new comp and it was just easier and cheaper to pick up windows 8.1 and wasnt as bad as i thought but i severely missed my windows 7. i now upgraded to 10 and i love it man, it picked what little good came out of 8 and went back to more of the feel of windows 7. It looks and operates more like the old style windows such as 7 and below with the smoothness and crisp of new generation.  
 
no more fly out windows when u move your mouse wrong or anything. It honestly just feels smoother and crisper than windows 7 and 8. It seems to respond to commands much faster and seems to handle multi tasking better, but i soppose that varies computer to computer. It runs Sonar like a champ on my end anyways. My big projects that i produced on windows 7 work perfect on windows 10 and even seem to even operate at a lower CPU power. I love it man, i loved windows 7. Did not like 8 much. I think they did great with 10.
 
Just my personal opinion. I have no hard facts or statistics or whatever to back up my statements. 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/17 17:03:37 (permalink)
I think its Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 combined with the best of both. It boots super fast too. I have it on my desktop my laptop and my tablet. It works beautifully on all of them.
 
There is no longer a forced distinction between apps and programs. Under 8.1 I used Classic Shell to make it more to my way of doing things. I don't need it with Win 10. 

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/17 17:24:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby icontakt 2015/08/17 20:15:57
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Sorry if I'm missing something obvious, but I'm running Sonar Platinum x64 on Windows 7 x64 SP1 and I'm really satisfied with the system stability and operating environment.  What incentive do I have to migrate to Win 10?  Grateful for any enlightenment.


Don't upgrade.  You'll be wasting valuable time and money.  If your system is working well, and doing what you need/want it to do, leave it alone.  Upgrading the OS is a major undertaking involving support calls, new drivers, new configurations, troubleshooting issues, etc.   Make music instead.  You'll be happier.  I'm running Sonar Platinum x64 on Windows 7 and it is running well also.  Isn't that good enough?
 
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post edited by jsg - 2015/08/17 17:34:21
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/17 17:40:32 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby BRainbow 2015/08/26 19:58:59
Windows 8.1/10 seems to handle multiprocessing better than Windows 7.
 
But the huge reason is it's a free support upgrade. Windows is only supported for a finite lifespan, and you will find people will eventually stop developing for Windows 7, probably sooner than you think.
 
If you are clever you will upgrade before you have to pay for it (around 11 months time), and wait at least until next year for the bugs to die down and driver support to be improved. Before you do it make sure you back up though.
 
Cheers..

(Edited for autocorrect typo)
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/17 17:40:40 (permalink)
I believe any new operating system will boot faster because it sheds the startup bloat acquired over the years of using the old operating system.  ?
 
I was not tempted to upgrade to Windows 7 because I wanted to avoid the "bleeding edge" - but I'm very happy to hear reports of it working well for Sonar users!
 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/17 17:44:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby icontakt 2015/08/17 20:17:56
You have no incentive.
I actually rolled back (recovered) from Win10 to my previous Win 7, and it all worked surprisingly well.
 
The killer features for me were:
  • uncontrollable Windows update
  • a bunch of additional processes running that couldn't be turned off (easily)
  • rumours of data collection and internet bandwidth occupation
But your mileage may vary. It's not a bad operating system as far as I can tell (apart from the aforementioned) but it certainly isn't intrinsically better,  especially for a DAW.
 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/17 18:41:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Reno412 2015/10/15 00:29:18
Just one more happy Win10 user.  The upgrade was brainlessly easy.  When it was done doing its thing, everything was where it belonged, all programs and devices worked and the computer itself is snappy and responsive.  I was coming from 7 which I loved, and I have no regrets with 10.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/17 18:47:31 (permalink)
I have had difficulties with 10, but I do love it.  I really believe everything seems faster, but I'm still having curious driver issues and I think MS will actually cave on these forced driver updates.   
 
There's no harm in waiting, but as of now, I'm really happy with it (ala XP & 7).
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/17 18:55:00 (permalink)
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The killer features for me were:
  • uncontrollable Windows update

Just curious... do you have Windows 7 Home or Windows 7 Pro?
 
If you have Pro, those updates are not uncontrollable. That's only for the Home users.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/17 19:35:00 (permalink)
As far as I can tell nobody is pointing a gun to my head and telling me I have to upgrade to W 10 and I simply won't do it at this moment in time . 
Even though my i3 seems under spec to run the newest version of SONAR .I'm being very cautious since It took me the better part of a year and change just to get my W 8 lap top configured to run X3 .
A lot of guys on this forum took the time to help me sort things out and I'm grateful to them .
 
Now that things have been running smoothly , I just want to use and Enjoy the tools I have to make music at this point in time …..
 
You know the funny thing is I'm not a hater and I think I may actually enjoy W 10 …
I may end up biting the bullet at some point in the upcoming months when the funds permit and get myself a much higher spec computer ….once I do that I will give 10 a try 
 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/17 19:37:19 (permalink)
If you value your privacy, don't upgrade.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/17 20:13:04 (permalink)
Will I see less bugs in Sonar if I upgrade to Win 10? 

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/17 20:15:13 (permalink)
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The killer features for me were:
  • uncontrollable Windows update

Just curious... do you have Windows 7 Home or Windows 7 Pro?
 
If you have Pro, those updates are not uncontrollable. That's only for the Home users.




I think @stickman393 may have been referring to the baked-in Windows 10 automatic updating, which apparently requires some user intervention to disable, such as killing a running service process or editing the registry or unplugging the LAN cable...  ...not sure which.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/17 20:30:20 (permalink)
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If you value your privacy, don't upgrade.


Yeah, I'm not sure what's being sent back to the mothership but the new OS license model is certainly gathering and reporting various system data to "improve the user experience".  I'd kinda like to see how that plays out for a while.
post edited by bitSync - 2015/08/17 20:39:10

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/17 20:47:02 (permalink)
I am not easily enticed with "new" (and potentially flawed). So many software developers let their users beta test their software (for free). Nothing about Win10 will drastically "change my world" for the better, and I have already read posts of people who have had theirs changed for the worse. If all is running smooth on Win7, there is no "need" to update. I have yet to see any post of "Oh my gosh, look at all I have been missing!!"
 
Do not feel obliged, coerced, etc., to change something that already works for you. Win10 will be around for a LONG time to come (and the beta testers can suffer your pain so you won't have to).

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/17 20:54:23 (permalink)
Agree with stickman393. A good condensation of how I feel so far on my Laptop upgrade, although I'm happy to stick it out and see if the experience improves over time.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/17 21:06:44 (permalink)
Only reason I can think of to upgrade from Win 7 for music is if you think you can take advantage of a multipoint touch screens.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/17 21:24:36 (permalink)
My studio computer is on win 7 and sonar runs perfectly, so I see no advantage in upgrading. I have another pc that was on win 8, and I could not wait to upgrade it! It is now on win 10 pro. I share all of stickman's concerns, and windows updates most definitely can't be turned off without disabling specific services no matter whether you run Pro or Home.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/17 21:39:23 (permalink)
I'll write it another way...

Those upgrading within the free period take your time.

To those not upgrading within the free period...
When Cakewalk drops support of Win7 or Win8 for Sonar, because the latest Microsoft libraries force them to do so, much like when they had to drop Vista support, don't say I didn't warn you! Also please don't expect the wait for that to happen to be as long as Vista had.

Not only that your drivers and plugins suppliers will also be forgetting about these OS's.

Yup people are still running unsupported Vista (getting increasingly difficult I suspect) but we can't guarantee this scenario in future.

It's gonna be a few years at least, but this may happen sooner that you think (not like it was in the past).

Cheers..
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/17 22:07:24 (permalink)
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Windows 8.1/10 seems to handle multiprocessing better than Windows 7. 
But the huge reason is it's a free support upgrade. Windows is only supported for a finite lifespan, and you will find people will eventually stop developing for Windows 7, probably sooner than you think. 
If you are clever you will upgrade before you have to pay for it (around 11 months time), and wait at least until next year for the bugs to die down and driver support to be improved. Before you do it make sure you back up though.
 



bitSync,
These are wise words from the Dr and the other posters.  IMHO if you are running Win7 on your DAW machine it is best to wait a while for the "Post Release Beta Testing" to be carried out on Win10; I will continue with 7 for now.  A free upgrade from Win8.1 to 10 makes sense since most, but not all, of the improvements in 10 were intended to tidy up issues with 8.1, especially the interface. There is probably much more benefit to be gained in upgrading some other aspects of your DAW, such as installing an SSD if you haven't already.
 
I have read that Microsoft is having trouble persuading their Business Customers to upgrade to 8.1/10 so it is likely going to be several years before 7 is unsupported.   Regarding waiting time, it is important to put the cost into perspective, if you miss the free period you are going to be out about $100 which is a lot to some, and not much to others.
 
BTW, I am using Win 10 on my touch screen netbook and have relearned an old lesson.  The excitement of a new piece of software wears off after about a month.  As others have noted; Reliability is king for a DAW and the excitement remains in making music.
 
Cheers.
 
 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/17 22:28:06 (permalink)
Thanks all for your thoughtful replies.  I don't use touchscreen, I'm more of a tactile surface kinda guy, so no touchscreen incentive there.  I'm a little concerned about some drivers, especially for the no longer supported Frontier Tranzport (I'd be interested to hear if anybody's using that successfully in Sonar Platinum under Windows 10).  For now I think I'll let my brave Sonar brethren put Windows 10 through the paces.  I believe Windows 7 will be around for quite a few years, so I think I'll be OK parked on Windows 7 for a while, so long as Sonar remains compatible with the OS.  This has been a really helpful thread for me.  I really appreciate all your feedback!

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/18 01:00:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby stickman393 2015/08/18 01:14:51
I'd say if none of these interest you, don't upgrade.
 
Evolved start menu - desktop friendly
Action Center
Snap assist
Multiple desktops
MS Edge browser
Universal Apps
File Explorer improved
Continuum
Windows Hello
Cortana
Direct X 12
MKV and FLAC support
improved storage management
improved Universal App performance
improved battery performance
Midi and Audio bugs fixed
Low Latency audio coming to WASAPI/ WDM (Threshold 2)
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/18 01:07:16 (permalink)
Nice summary, SoundTweaker.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/18 02:45:30 (permalink)
I upgraded 2 laptops and a test Desktop from Windows 7 to Windows 10, they are all back on Windows 7. I just don't like it at all. the looks are enough to make me make the switch back, hideous. Someone up top said that it looked or was more like Windows 7, well it ain't like no Windows 7 I have ever known. I didn't let it near my 2 music PC's, but I guess the time will come down the track away, where the choice will have to be made, I am happy to wait until that time when software or hardware requirements make the change necessary, but until then I am very happy with a rock solid, blazing fast Windows 7 (never really noticed any 'noticeable' speed up with Win 10 in any area)
 
One thing I will say though, is that the installation of Windows 10 went as smooth as, everything seemed to work fine, only the new Windows Edge browser seemed a little flaky, especially with these forums. The roll back to Windows 7 was also as smooth as, with zero issues since on all 3 systems. 
 
My beloved M-Audio Delta 1010 sound cards, of which I have 5 would most likely not work under Windows 10 anyway, there wasn't much luck under Win 8, and no hope for new drivers, and I don't really want to move on from them, certainly not to a USB/fire-wire alternative, and having 5 of them it will take some time for natural attrition to thin the herd, no doubt when that time comes I will kick myself for not moving on much sooner, but . . . they serve me well.
 
When the time comes to move on from Windows 7, I will be giving the Mac a serious look even if it means ditching Sonar, my other fav DAW, REAPER works fine on Mac, and I really do dislike Windows 10, even more than I do Apple. Hideous.
 
For my money, if you are happy with Windows 7, and it's working for you, stay put, by all means have a look at Windows 10 on another machine or whatever, then if you like it, that's up to you, but don't dive in head first with your main DAW machine, you may regret that :)
post edited by jih64 - 2015/08/18 03:48:45
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/18 02:53:46 (permalink)
The theme of evaluating Macs to avoid Win10 is getting noticeable. Plenty of time to watch this play out, but if MS has a repeat of Win8, this may not be so good.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/18 03:21:13 (permalink)
The better graphics resolution on fonts alone is worth the upgrade. It's like the fonts are a lot smaller yet much more legible than before - putting more info on the screen. Others might not have had the same improvements, but all of a sudden my 2 x 23" Samsungs actually LOOK better.
 
Apart from that, even my email PC which is an old DuoCore suddenly just kicks ass. Boots in about 20 secs max. My main PC also runs far better than before - and I seem to notice less bugs all-round.
 
I think Win 10 is a massive improvement - it's just a much more solid user experience.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/18 03:44:11 (permalink)
There is one thing which will eventually force even the most reluctant of us to upgrade to Win 10, and that is that Noel hinted recently that Sonar support for Win 7 will cease at some point in the not too distant future.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/18 03:55:12 (permalink)
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There is one thing which will eventually force even the most reluctant of us to upgrade to Win 10, and that is that Noel hinted recently that Sonar support for Win 7 will cease at some point in the not too distant future.



Mac, or for me, just dump Sonar, and just continue using Windows 7 and REAPER, it is still supporting XP, there are many choices, and Sonar is just a tool, other tools can do the same thing and buy more time. There are people still using X1, 8.5 etc, so if one so chose, they could possibly carry on for quite a few years yet if they are happy with the status quo, and weren't to concerned about having the latest and greatest. Then again Windows 10 may evolve into something acceptable to me, as it is now, I just can't bare to look at it unfortunately.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/18 06:23:37 (permalink)
soundtweaker,
A comprehensive and useful list.  Can you please elaborate on the "Midi and audio bugs".  I am blissfully unaware of any with my present Sonar Pt + Win7 system but am happy to be enlightened.
 
Thanks.
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