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2015/08/26 23:58:39 (permalink)

Apple adds Alchemy to Logic

Once again ... I'm screwed by Apple.
 
http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-updates-logic-pro-x-music-program-new-synth-apple-music/
 
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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/27 10:51:04 (permalink)
or offered the opportunity to expand you horizons with new and different tools.
 
yeah okay, your screwed.  so am I.
 
no Alchemy 2 unless ya get a Mac and Logic.
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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/27 10:54:16 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kitekrazy1 2015/08/27 21:20:25
.....but, but, but, we still have Alchemy 1.5.......and it WORKS!! :)

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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/27 16:06:23 (permalink)
The integration w/ EXS-24 will make this phenomenal. Considering how easy it is to create and manage sampler instruments in Logic, I see a whole world of possibilities. 
 
A Mac mini + Logic would actually make for a very nice, cost efficient instrument host/sampling solution even for people who prefer to work on a PC for their main DAW.

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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/27 21:12:29 (permalink)
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.....but, but, but, we still have Alchemy 1.5.......and it WORKS!! :)




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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/27 21:42:34 (permalink)
old news.. thank the owner of camel for doing it to the users as well.
 
would I have spent £600 a year earlier with them knowing this ? nope...
 
and yep second time apple has bought out something and mucked up pc owners = only apple I own is an apple //e
 
 
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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/28 10:09:12 (permalink)
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.....but, but, but, we still have Alchemy 1.5.......and it WORKS!! :)


Has anyone tried to reinstall or install on another system?
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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/28 10:09:43 (permalink)
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old news.. thank the owner of camel for doing it to the users as well.
 
would I have spent £600 a year earlier with them knowing this ? nope...
 
and yep second time apple has bought out something and mucked up pc owners = only apple I own is an apple //e
 
 


Apple buying it is old new.  This is new news.
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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/28 10:24:10 (permalink)
I think Fog is rather pissed about the whole thing - $1000 will do that.  That is a large investment that can't move forward.
 
If wishes were fishes I'd hope that apple makes a full version for the iPad to use as a self-contained synth.  That wouldn't kill the pain but lay on some opiates.
 
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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/28 11:03:14 (permalink)
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.....but, but, but, we still have Alchemy 1.5.......and it WORKS!! :)


Has anyone tried to reinstall or install on another system?


VV, I haven't done it yet (haven't had a need to), but if you have the Camel installer software, there's an offline option to do so.
I also made backups of all my Camel stuff (in case I may need to re-install).

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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/28 11:16:44 (permalink)
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old news.. thank the owner of camel for doing it to the users as well.
 
would I have spent £600 a year earlier with them knowing this ? nope...
 
and yep second time apple has bought out something and mucked up pc owners = only apple I own is an apple //e
 
 




When Logic went mac only I went to Sonar 1. Kind of a silver lining. He here's hoping that Apple will support the VST version for you guys.
 
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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/28 13:18:45 (permalink)
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.....but, but, but, we still have Alchemy 1.5.......and it WORKS!! :)


Has anyone tried to reinstall or install on another system?


VV, I haven't done it yet (haven't had a need to), but if you have the Camel installer software, there's an offline option to do so.
I also made backups of all my Camel stuff (in case I may need to re-install).



I think it's a question of the license server. Is it still running? If you want to install on a new machine, change the HD on your system, change the OS or something, will you be able to do that?

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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/28 13:44:15 (permalink)
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.....but, but, but, we still have Alchemy 1.5.......and it WORKS!! :)


Has anyone tried to reinstall or install on another system?


VV, I haven't done it yet (haven't had a need to), but if you have the Camel installer software, there's an offline option to do so.
I also made backups of all my Camel stuff (in case I may need to re-install).



I think it's a question of the license server. Is it still running? If you want to install on a new machine, change the HD on your system, change the OS or something, will you be able to do that?


I remember reading somewhere that your license is actually imbedded in Camel's data files.
 
So, to install this on a new PC, you can try copying all of Camel's data files on a USB drive and paste them on the new HD/Samples Drive while installing the Alchemy VST in the correct VST folder. This way, you can avoid using Camel's (offline) installer altogether.    

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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/28 13:53:51 (permalink)
Wouldn't you just install then apply the license file - I think its a .aky file? 
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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/28 13:58:37 (permalink)
A license is only valid if you agree to EULA, if you hack it so you bypass the EULA (missing out the agreement option)  I don't you have satisfied the terms and conditions therefore you are not licensed.


Alchemy is a pretty appropriate name for this product.



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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/28 14:02:00 (permalink)
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Wouldn't you just install then apply the license file - I think its a .aky file? 
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I haven't done a 2nd install, so I can't confirm.......BUT, a poster over at KVR had done the process I described above (on both his PC & Mac) and said it worked.

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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/28 14:15:11 (permalink)
cool, hope it does!
 
Another question - any idea the lowest specification Mac you can run Logic on.
I have an old but almost totally unused Mac G5 (think its the powerMac) - Original OS, think its 9 or possibly 10, but I do know I have never updated.
I purchased it in 2005 to run  specific Mac only software for a project I was involved with, which as it turns out only lasted a short while.
So it sits in my studio, looking cool,  dude, but doing nothing!!
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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/28 14:46:21 (permalink)
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Wouldn't you just install then apply the license file - I think its a .aky file? 
Nigel
 


I haven't done a 2nd install, so I can't confirm.......BUT, a poster over at KVR had done the process I described above (on both his PC & Mac) and said it worked.



That's good news, thanks for posting. There are different schemes for generating the license key and I have no idea what camel audio used.
 

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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/28 19:56:06 (permalink)
 The license is built into your installer.  I installed it with no problem a few weeks ago.

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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/28 20:01:42 (permalink)
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old news.. thank the owner of camel for doing it to the users as well.
 
would I have spent £600 a year earlier with them knowing this ? nope...
 
and yep second time apple has bought out something and mucked up pc owners = only apple I own is an apple //e
 
 




 The DAW competition got bigger for Mac since they bought Logic.  Sonar is one of the few left that is PC only. 
 

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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/28 20:22:06 (permalink)
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 The license is built into your installer.  I installed it with no problem a few weeks ago.


Good to know!
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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/29 02:17:53 (permalink)
I just started testing windows 10 on my DAW and Alchemy still runs fine.

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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/29 04:45:54 (permalink)
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cool, hope it does!
 
Another question - any idea the lowest specification Mac you can run Logic on.
I have an old but almost totally unused Mac G5 (think its the powerMac) - Original OS, think its 9 or possibly 10, but I do know I have never updated.
I purchased it in 2005 to run  specific Mac only software for a project I was involved with, which as it turns out only lasted a short while.
So it sits in my studio, looking cool,  dude, but doing nothing!!
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Hard to tell w/o trying. That being said, by a process of elimination/deduction, I'll tell you this:
 
My 2010 MacBook Pro didn't get along too well with the more recents version of OSX (10.8 aka Mountain Lion and 10.9 aka Mavericks). If I knew then what I know now, I would NEVER have upgraded from OSX 10.6 Snow Leopard. That's when the issues started.
 
If I'm not mistaken, Logic X requires OSX 10.8 (Maverick) or later. That's what was on my iMac when I got it last fall and I'm never upgrading.
 
Typically, those new OS aren't as efficient as Mac OS was reputed to be back in the Steve Jobs era, when you could hook up the shiny new Mac you'd just brought from the Mac Store and start making music w/o tweaking anything. You can definitely optimize a couple of things.
 
So it could maybe work, depending if the hardware is supported by recent OS revisions and if you have lots of RAM to accommodate those.
 
If I had such a machine, I'd probably use it to run legacy software, something that's a more bit contemporary to the computer. I don't think I'd try anything more recent than Logic 9 (which is still the most solid DAW I've worked with incidentally.
 
Mac computers are usually built to last. So now I see them as a close-end system, something that runs its contemporary software and will keep on running it for a long, long time. As I said before - my brother in law is still running his Pro Tools TDM studio on an old G4 he bought circa 2003-04. He simply added a more recent MacBook Pro to host virtual instruments and such, but is main workstation is still going strong after all those years.
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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/29 09:46:02 (permalink)
Hi Rain
Thanks for this, it's really helpful.
Also great to hear from someone who runs a Mac system.
 
I think your points are very valid - shall have a think what to do but I might try and see if I can get an older version of Logic as I think your suggestion is, well have to say it, very Logical!!!
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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/29 10:39:58 (permalink)
Just saw this...and posted in DEALS
 
You can get the Mainstage 3 update, which includes Alchemy, for $30
 
http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2013/7/17/use-mainstage-3-in-pro-tools-11-10-and-9.html?mc_cid=a99b566516&mc_eid=16ee9f3b7d
 
and you can get it to work in Pro Tools


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Re: Apple adds Alchemy to Logic 2015/08/29 12:05:34 (permalink)
Wanted to post this too, Sir Larry, but thou seest ev'rything!

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