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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/27 14:27:57 (permalink)
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I waited four days trying to get it to Activate, during this time I tried to get it to Activate by Going to Settings and clicking the Activate button or allowing it to Activate automatically, and it never Activated during that time, so I figured maybe something went wrong with the installation, and I went back to Windows 7 and started over 3 or 4 times.


I suspect you booted off the installation media rather than run setup within windows 7/8.

The other gotcha is whilst you updating, it reboots and you boot off the installation media. So make sure you turn it off your BIOS so does not boot if USB/DVD as well.

Do that and you will get a product key on Windows 10. After that you can boot off the DVD after that to do a fully clean install if you want.

If you have don't have a product key do one of the following:

1) Restore from backup
2) Roll back.
3) Install win7/8.

Then do it again. Turn off those settings in BIOS and make sure you run setup from within 7/8. Do not boot from USB/DVD!!
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/27 14:53:57 (permalink)
I updated to Windows 10 around two weeks ago, then about 2 days later rolled back to Win7 64 without any issues.
 
While I really liked a lot of aspects of Windows 10 (Cortana, minimalist and flat windows, Edge, native FLAC, etc), I felt the release was too premature, especially if  your system now is 100% rock solid.
 
A couple things made me roll back:
1) Only a handful of preset colors available for the Start Menu with no customization.
2) Lack of native Aero Glass theme.  I really like having transparent windows, and while the solid and minimilist thing is nice, I really prefer the transparency.  I also feel like it can affect my workflow and mindset when it comes to creativity.
3) I want to update when I want, and what I want.  
4) Some GPUs are experiencing high idle temps.  This is a big issue, and one of the main reasons I rolled back.
5) Privacy conerns.  Do I really want to sign in LIVE to get Cortana to follow my voice commands?  Do I really want location services and targeted ads?  Sometimes I prefer all of these things OFF.
6) While it'll probably be fine, I don't feel comfortable with not having certified Win 10 audio drivers for my I/O by the manufacturer (Tascam).
 

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/27 15:43:09 (permalink)
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I updated to Windows 10 around two weeks ago, then about 2 days later rolled back to Win7 64 without any issues.
 
While I really liked a lot of aspects of Windows 10 (Cortana, minimalist and flat windows, Edge, native FLAC, etc), I felt the release was too premature, especially if  your system now is 100% rock solid.
 
A couple things made me roll back:
1) Only a handful of preset colors available for the Start Menu with no customization.
2) Lack of native Aero Glass theme.  I really like having transparent windows, and while the solid and minimilist thing is nice, I really prefer the transparency.  I also feel like it can affect my workflow and mindset when it comes to creativity.
3) I want to update when I want, and what I want.  
4) Some GPUs are experiencing high idle temps.  This is a big issue, and one of the main reasons I rolled back.
5) Privacy conerns.  Do I really want to sign in LIVE to get Cortana to follow my voice commands?  Do I really want location services and targeted ads?  Sometimes I prefer all of these things OFF.
6) While it'll probably be fine, I don't feel comfortable with not having certified Win 10 audio drivers for my I/O by the manufacturer (Tascam).
 




Some comments here...
 
2) I suggest you get over that one. It slows down the performance of your PC anyway.
Otherwise check this: http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/aero-glass-windows-10/ (not sure how to do it yet, if indeed it is available).
 
3) Totally agree about when, I'm not understanding about the what,  what you are getting windows 10.
 
4) Maybe look for a firmware update. Check you power saving settings. Your issue or it somebody telling you it is an issue?

5) You can turn all of that off when you install windows 10
 
6) Would not worry about that at all.
 
I'm not running my DAW on it either (no way! not until next year), but my other PC's have it.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/08/27 15:51:41

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/27 16:02:34 (permalink)
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Shenrei
I updated to Windows 10 around two weeks ago, then about 2 days later rolled back to Win7 64 without any issues.
 
While I really liked a lot of aspects of Windows 10 (Cortana, minimalist and flat windows, Edge, native FLAC, etc), I felt the release was too premature, especially if  your system now is 100% rock solid.
 
A couple things made me roll back:
1) Only a handful of preset colors available for the Start Menu with no customization.
2) Lack of native Aero Glass theme.  I really like having transparent windows, and while the solid and minimilist thing is nice, I really prefer the transparency.  I also feel like it can affect my workflow and mindset when it comes to creativity.
3) I want to update when I want, and what I want.  
4) Some GPUs are experiencing high idle temps.  This is a big issue, and one of the main reasons I rolled back.
5) Privacy conerns.  Do I really want to sign in LIVE to get Cortana to follow my voice commands?  Do I really want location services and targeted ads?  Sometimes I prefer all of these things OFF.
6) While it'll probably be fine, I don't feel comfortable with not having certified Win 10 audio drivers for my I/O by the manufacturer (Tascam).
 




Some comments here...
 
2) I suggest you get over that one. It slows down the performance of your PC anyway.
Otherwise check this: http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/aero-glass-windows-10/ (not sure how to do it yet, if indeed it is available).
 
3) Totally agree about when, I'm not understanding about the what,  what you are getting windows 10.
 
4) Maybe look for a firmware update. Check you power saving settings. Your issue or it somebody telling you it is an issue?

5) You can turn all of that off when you install windows 10
 
6) Would not worry about that at all.
 
I'm not running my DAW on it either (no way! not until next year), but my other PC's have it.




2) Eventually maybe.  But having plently of VSTs popping up with solid colors doesn't strike my fancy.  I'll gladly take the minimal performance hit.  Comps these days are more than capable now.
 
4) I'm experiencing this very issue.  So are other people over on the Nvidia forum.  A future update will probably fix this but right now it's not worth having on my system.
 
 

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/27 17:38:51 (permalink)
Finally got Windows 10 Activated. Microsoft gave me a Product Key for it. Bless their hearts. :)
 
Now, I can do the clean install. :)
 
 


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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/27 17:45:17 (permalink)
Shenrei, I agree with you about the aero glass. While some don't see this as important, many do, including me. It may just be psychological, the artists mentality; but it is real, at least for some of us. The gorgeous landscapes in Windows, with the aero view, can really set the mood for me. But you need to have a powerful computer to run it and do music.
The privacy concerns are the real problem, as you have discovered. I think in time, there will be more and more outrage, as the extent of this invasion of personal space is realized. For now, the advent of a new windows OS is just too much for those "types" who just have to have the latest stuff. (See Kevinwal's post above to see which "type" you fit into. Sorry Kev, just couldn't resist the sarcasm).
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/27 17:50:48 (permalink)
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The privacy concerns are the real problem, as you have discovered. 



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5) Privacy conerns.  Do I really want to sign in LIVE to get Cortana to follow my voice commands?  Do I really want location services and targeted ads?  Sometimes I prefer all of these things OFF.


> 5) You can turn all of that off when you install windows 10
 
Of course you can't turn off the NSA, but then again nor can you with previous versions of Windows.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/27 20:08:36 (permalink)
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When I first upgraded it seemed to be slower but after a couple of reboots it got faster somehow. . .




I'm glad I seen this, I thought I was imagining things, as that was my experience as well. At first on my 2 laptops and test machine I was wondering what everyone was going on about, because as far as I was concerned it wasn't noticeably faster at booting (or anything else) in fact I thought it to be slower. With the first of my main music PC's it wasn't as noticeable (more power I guess) but the same thing.
 
Now the boot time and general snappiness is obviously apparent.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/27 20:41:06 (permalink)
Keep in mind some of us have had it longer due to the preview. 

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/27 22:53:06 (permalink)
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Shenrei, I agree with you about the aero glass. While some don't see this as important, many do, including me. It may just be psychological, the artists mentality; but it is real, at least for some of us. The gorgeous landscapes in Windows, with the aero view, can really set the mood for me. But you need to have a powerful computer to run it and do music.
The privacy concerns are the real problem, as you have discovered. I think in time, there will be more and more outrage, as the extent of this invasion of personal space is realized. For now, the advent of a new windows OS is just too much for those "types" who just have to have the latest stuff. (See Kevinwal's post above to see which "type" you fit into. Sorry Kev, just couldn't resist the sarcasm).


No worries, Michael. I actually agree with you about the aero glass being gone. I argued with a guy from Ms on another forum about that and don't see any reason why the design police shouldn't let people set up their systems any way they want to.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/27 22:54:41 (permalink)
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jbow
 
When I first upgraded it seemed to be slower but after a couple of reboots it got faster somehow. . .




I'm glad I seen this, I thought I was imagining things, as that was my experience as well. At first on my 2 laptops and test machine I was wondering what everyone was going on about, because as far as I was concerned it wasn't noticeably faster at booting (or anything else) in fact I thought it to be slower. With the first of my main music PC's it wasn't as noticeable (more power I guess) but the same thing.
 
Now the boot time and general snappiness is obviously apparent.


That might be because the document indexing engine has finished its work.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/28 05:12:22 (permalink)
The first few times you boot windows 10 you may notice it runs slower than usual whilst it indexes, updates, and optimizes itself.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/28 08:23:28 (permalink)
WIN 10 FREE?
...have we learned nothing from the matrix or BSG?!! ...hmm, all people using the same OS at the same time all over the planet.
Windows 7 Pro x64 sp1 the most stable (FME) OS version.
 
 

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/28 11:26:03 (permalink)
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Shenrei, I agree with you about the aero glass. While some don't see this as important, many do, including me. It may just be psychological, the artists mentality; but it is real, at least for some of us. The gorgeous landscapes in Windows, with the aero view, can really set the mood for me. But you need to have a powerful computer to run it and do music.


On that last point: not especially. Windows nowadays offloads all the desktop drawing work to the graphics hardware. So it barely impacts performance for an application like Sonar at all.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/28 11:36:57 (permalink)
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On that last point: not especially. Windows nowadays offloads all the desktop drawing work to the graphics hardware. So it barely impacts performance for an application like Sonar at all.



Find out for yourself, I guess peoples results may differ depending on hardware specs:
https://youtu.be/LtcUBt_TYlw
 
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/08/28 11:45:34

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/28 14:21:22 (permalink)
00 CPU usage with Aero on for me.  I'm assuming the above will happen if you are running integrated graphics with limited resources, and a weak system  Looking at the video, Physical Memory is already at 54% with only 32 processes open that look like the normal stock processes outside of aVast and his screen recording software.  Also, his screen recording software is causing spiking to 40-65% just by moving his cursor around.  There is no way that system will be able to run Sonar. 

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/28 17:34:24 (permalink)
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Shenrei, I agree with you about the aero glass. While some don't see this as important, many do, including me. It may just be psychological, the artists mentality; but it is real, at least for some of us. The gorgeous landscapes in Windows, with the aero view, can really set the mood for me. But you need to have a powerful computer to run it and do music.


On that last point: not especially. Windows nowadays offloads all the desktop drawing work to the graphics hardware. So it barely impacts performance for an application like Sonar at all.


Thanks, I’ve always worried that aero glass might impact performance, but I use it anyway. Now I can luxuriate in its nostalgic ambiance, while the world continues to get more ugly all around me...

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/10/13 14:16:23 (permalink)
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There is one thing which will eventually force even the most reluctant of us to upgrade to Win 10, and that is that Noel hinted recently that Sonar support for Win 7 will cease at some point in the not too distant future.


Windows 7 will be supported until 2020
But!!  The Dok says that Sonar and other daws vst companies may stop support before then.
 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/10/13 18:57:29 (permalink)
After having Win10 installed on my laptop for several weeks now. I find it works well and is in general more responsive than Win7, and seems to work well with Sonar.
 
My only real issue, with regards to audio production, being I cannot reduce the memory usage at boot up to less than 35%. I've tried turning off everything that I can think of, Win7 used to settle at 32% for me, and that extra 3% does make a difference on a 32bit install where the actual available memory is something just over 3GB. There are one or two projects that I've had to reduce the number of VST's just so I can keep working on them.
 
I find the implementation of settings, and where and how to find and adjust them, a little clumsy. I think this may have something to do with Microsoft trying to make Win10 a one-stop OS for all devices. In doing so it seems that some things are not in an obvious place, or are in more than one place, for either a full blown desktop setup, a laptop/tablet, or a smart phone install. It may be a minor thing for someone more well versed in the intricacies of computer workings, but for me it's just a distraction, and I find myself spending a lot more time than I would prefer, searching for certain settings that were a little easier to find in Win7.
 
I will persevere with the Win10 install on my laptop, as it seems both Microsoft and Sonar are trying to make this a better way of working with audio. I applaud them (mostly Sonar) for trying.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/10/13 20:42:30 (permalink)
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Bristol_Jonesey
There is one thing which will eventually force even the most reluctant of us to upgrade to Win 10, and that is that Noel hinted recently that Sonar support for Win 7 will cease at some point in the not too distant future.


Windows 7 will be supported until 2020
But!!  The Dok says that Sonar and other daws vst companies may stop support before then.
 
"For all magic there Is a price"!!!   Quote from "Mr Gold" or Rumple stiltskin,  from series Once Upon a Time.
 
Or Dr Smith  from Lost In Space  "The Pain oh! the pain, the pain"




Old software still works.  I had Finale 95 on W7. I bet Sonar 5 works. 
 
Rumor has it with the upcoming W10 build you can clean install and use your W7,8 key to start activation.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/10/13 22:49:33 (permalink)
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There is one thing which will eventually force even the most reluctant of us to upgrade to Win 10, and that is that Noel hinted recently that Sonar support for Win 7 will cease at some point in the not too distant future.


I wonder if that happens before or after Cubase support for Win 10 starts. Seriously, Cubase still doesn't work on 10.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/10/13 23:23:53 (permalink)
Win 10 is good - Much better than 7 or 8.1
 
There is a way to turn off the forced updates.
In settings you can tell it you use metered data/internet and it will not auto download patches.
The rest of the privacy settings can be adjusted during install and/or in settings menus.
 
I have had no problems at all since updating.

 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/10/14 13:23:51 (permalink)
I went from 7 to 10.   I did not have any driver issues at all, but I just bought a new technology interface, which had the drivers out before 10 was released.  That made it a little more comforting.  My machine is also 5 years old.   I did have to add back in windows media player.  It seems, and I may be wrong, that when I started up Platinum - it could not find a media player and balked at the system not having it.  Took me 10 minutes to find the right version on the MS website to install.
 
There are noticeable memory improvements and increased throughput in my particular case.  I do not know the exact reason behind it, but I appreciate the reward.   I don't mind the updates, and I don't care what Microsoft learns from my use of the product - however, I understand the rights and needs of others when it comes to privacy.  
 
I have used 10 now for 2 months, and I have had zero issues with it after the install.  I actually prefer what they did for the user experience between 7 and 10 - especially the task manager and its tool set.  All in all, I would install the upgrade again.   However - 7 worked, so does my trusty 30 year old hammer. Truth be told, I like my air nail gun a wee bit better, even if I did send a finish nail through the thumb on the first day.  I did take some time like you, to try to ferret out the risk verses the rewards, and I ghosted the drive before I started.  Probably this last sentence is the best advice when you decide to upgrade.
 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/10/14 14:12:11 (permalink)
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I wonder if that happens before or after Cubase support for Win 10 starts. Seriously, Cubase still doesn't work on 10.

You are correct that Steinberg has not given Win 10 the green light officially. However most people are running Cubase 8 without issues on Win 10. The folks with C8 audio issues do not know that  drivers all the way back to Vista usually work with Win 10 (altho sometimes installation can be a PITA). 
The reason Steinberg is waiting to approve Win 10 has to do with Quicktime. The latest QT version does not install on Win 10 and QT is required for video work in C8. Our friends at Apple most likely are too busy trying to fix El Capitan and don't have the time for QT fixes. It is my understanding that kernel mode driver support has been removed from El Capitan and this is a real problem for some audio interfaces. Apogee for instance is not supporting new drivers for El Cap. I would be rather upset that my 1 year old $2500 audio I/O rig will never work on my $5000 Mac. 
post edited by microapp - 2015/10/14 14:26:15

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/10/14 15:35:20 (permalink)
Where is your adventure boy!!
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/10/15 00:31:32 (permalink)
I really like Windows 10.  I had No Problems at all with anything involved with going to Windows 10.  It seems like some people are just afraid of New Software & Tech when really they will just be behind in Todays Technology. You should do All The Updates...   They are updating 10 to make it better and fix bugs so, not doing updates is not a good idea...    Do you run the Update Check on Cakewalk Sonar? LOL YES, you do... Windows 10 is Todays Technology and keeping it updated is a smart thing to do in my opinion.  But hey, do what you want...  It's your computer...   Windows 95, Why Upgrade?
post edited by Reno412 - 2015/10/15 00:42:29

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/10/15 10:37:31 (permalink)
The eula gives permission to the MS managers to use YOUR computer as a file-sharing server. Updates can be uploaded from your machine to other machines.
 
The eula gives permission to actually remove software, and other files, deemed to possess the potential to affect the performance of any MS product.
 
Logging into YOUR computer with a MS account, increases the likelihood of all this happening. Because using an MS account is equivalent to using any network login, which is subject to all the rules established by the server administrators. At which time YOUR computer is effectively a client machine that is in nearly complete control by those rules.
 
The eula gives permission to track/copy your browser use, use of Skype (including your voice print), Cortana, maps, and any documents opened by MS software, for the stated purpose of learning how to make MS software more "useful."
 
This means, MS managers have all the data needed to locate YOUR computer within feet of its actual location.
 
Per the eula, MS will comply with an policing agency that can show reasonable cause to provide all said data. If in the opinion of MS managers, with guidance by such agencies, you have something on YOUR computer that is deemed illegal, YOUR computer, and yourself, can be confiscated. Even if you are unknowingly participating as in having been infected by a web bot.
 
And: auto updates' default is to restart the computer when not in use. Does this mean a "forced" restart as the MS dudes do not think all the programs and files I have open, though saved, can be closed without my permission?
 
And when happens when an update is bad, as already happened with at least four updates, from MS, that puts the computer into an endless loop? When I have to get work done now, not after spending hours fixing what should not have happened.
 
Updates are fine when I choose to install them based upon my needs.
 
Windows 10 works great. It is all the other stuff that everyone should be resisting. That too many are not is extremely worrisome.
 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/10/15 11:21:06 (permalink)
In windows 10, there is a Lot of Things that I turned off So, it limits tracking/sharing and all that Privacy stuff. I disable Cortana as well...  People should really Google about what to turn off in Windows 10.  You should close files when your not using them anyway...  Don't be Lazy.  What if you have a main power failure? You should always save your stuff and close it when your not using it.    

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/10/15 11:25:31 (permalink)
Where are you reading this information? 

Best
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/10/15 11:26:34 (permalink)
what information ???

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